• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

S

sharon

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 25, 2012
Messages
11,600
Reaction score
1,344
Location
Georgia
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Moderate
I AM NOT SURE THIS IS POSTED IN THE PROPER CATEGORY, BUT THE STORY IS TIMELY......

Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman

Nun at St. Joseph's
Hospital rebuked over
abortion to save woman


by Michael Clancy - May. 19, 2010 01:16
PM
The Arizona Republic

A Catholic nun and longtime
administrator of St. Joseph's
Hospital and Medical Center in
Phoenix was reassigned in the
wake of a decision to allow a
pregnancy to be ended in order to
save the life of a critically ill
patient.

The decision also drew a sharp
rebuke from Bishop Thomas J.
Olmsted, head of the Phoenix
Diocese, who indicated the
woman was "automatically
excommunicated" because of the
action.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If the mother's life is in danger and doctors have confirmed that carrying the child to 40-50% viability will cause the mother to lose her life then abortion is justified.
 
Save a woman's life, you get the same penalty you would for molesting children. In this thread: the Catholic Church doing exactly what you expect it to do.
 
jamesrage said:
If the mother's life is in danger and doctors have confirmed that carrying the child to 40-50% viability will cause the mother to lose her life then abortion is justified.
Click to expand...

It meant automatic excommunication for the Nun Administrator.
 
sharon said:
It meant automatic excommunication for the Nun Administrator.
Click to expand...

No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.


from the article:

Olmsted added that if a Catholic "formally cooperates" in an abortion, he or she is automatically excommunicated.

Excommunication forbids the person from participating in church life. Remedies are available through an appeal to the Vatican or confession.


Read more: Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman
Click to expand...


j-mac
 
Last edited:
j-mac said:
No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.

j-mac
Click to expand...

No it wasn't the patient.. it was the Nun Administrator.

There is NO indication the patient was Catholic.
 
This is exactly the kind of blind ideology that makes me see red. Physicians in Catholic hospitals are expected to allow a patient to die rather than violate church policy, a policy that dictates that women are expendable if pregnancy kills them. :2mad:
 
sharon said:
I AM NOT SURE THIS IS POSTED IN THE PROPER CATEGORY, BUT THE STORY IS TIMELY......

Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman

Nun at St. Joseph's
Hospital rebuked over
abortion to save woman


by Michael Clancy - May. 19, 2010 01:16
PM
The Arizona Republic

A Catholic nun and longtime
administrator of St. Joseph's
Hospital and Medical Center in
Phoenix was reassigned in the
wake of a decision to allow a
pregnancy to be ended in order to
save the life of a critically ill
patient.

The decision also drew a sharp
rebuke from Bishop Thomas J.
Olmsted, head of the Phoenix
Diocese, who indicated the
woman was "automatically
excommunicated" because of the
action.
Click to expand...

OP does not clarify what we're supposed to be debating.
 
More than that Bishop, who also declared the Pope immune from molestation charges, disaffiliated St. Joe's Hospital from the Catholic Church due to the abortion! Now it's just Joe's Hospital.

To make matters more confusing St. Joe's has a wing that was donated and named after Muhammed Ali and his wife. No doubt that too has been a thorn in the bishop's side.

No longer a Catholic I will refrain from expressing my views on the matter, but I will say that I most happy being a Buddhist.
 
j-mac said:
No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.


from the article:




j-mac
Click to expand...

Perhaps I am reading it wrong.. or perhaps its poor reporting but here is the text:

Neither the hospital nor the bishop's office would address whether the bishop had a direct role in her demotion. He does not have control of the hospital as a business but is the voice of moral authority over any Catholic institution operating in the diocese.

The actions involving the administrator, mostly taken within the past couple of weeks, followed a last-minute, life-or-death drama in late 2009. The patient had a rare and often fatal condition in which a pregnancy can cause the death of the mother.

Sister Margaret McBride, who had been vice president of mission integration at the hospital, was on call as a member of the hospital's ethics committee when the surgery took place, hospital officials said. She was part of a group of people, including the patient and doctors, who decided upon the course of action.


Read more: Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman
 
For a long time in my community there was only one hospital, a Catholic one that never turns anybody away. It routinely handled ectopic pregnancies and other emergencies, and I also had my tubal ligation there.

Just wanted to add a little fairness and balance here. One situation, however heinous (if it is; I don't know all the facts), doesn't prove anything.
 

"In a statement issued to The Republic late Friday, the diocese confirmed that Olmsted learned of the case after the surgery.

"I am gravely concerned by the fact that an abortion was performed several months ago in a Catholic hospital in this diocese," Olmsted said. "I am further concerned by the hospital's statement that the termination of a human life was necessary to treat the mother's underlying medical condition.

"An unborn child is not a disease. While medical professionals should certainly try to save a pregnant mother's life, the means by which they do it can never be by directly killing her unborn child. The end does not justify the means."

When a Hospital gets to the point that it needs to break the hypocratic oath in order to please an overseer with no medical background...it's a major problem. Guaranteed, if I am able I will avoid all Catholic Hospitals for me and mine.
 
DiAnna said:
This is exactly the kind of blind ideology that makes me see red. Physicians in Catholic hospitals are expected to allow a patient to die rather than violate church policy, a policy that dictates that women are expendable if pregnancy kills them. :2mad:
Click to expand...

Regardless of how I feel on the particular issue at hand, these people know how their employer (the church) feels on this matter. You either follow the employer's policies, or you face the consequences of those decisions. I have to do quite a few things at work that I think are 100% wrong, but I either do them or I no longer have a job. Thankfully my decisions are not generally moral in nature at work, but they have been on a couple of occasions (I refused to work on two different projects for moral reasons). Only my good fortune allowed me to retain my job in those two cases.
 
nota bene said:
For a long time in my community there was only one hospital, a Catholic one that never turns anybody away. It routinely handled ectopic pregnancies and other emergencies, and I also had my tubal ligation there.

Just wanted to add a little fairness and balance here. One situation, however heinous (if it is; I don't know all the facts), doesn't prove anything.
Click to expand...

As it should be... especially when there is only one hospital.......
 
Tigger said:
Regardless of how I feel on the particular issue at hand, these people know how their employer (the church) feels on this matter. You either follow the employer's policies, or you face the consequences of those decisions. I have to do quite a few things at work that I think are 100% wrong, but I either do them or I no longer have a job. Thankfully my decisions are not generally moral in nature at work, but they have been on a couple of occasions (I refused to work on two different projects for moral reasons). Only my good fortune allowed me to retain my job in those two cases.
Click to expand...

Is it a different story (To You) when it is a matter of Life and Death?
 
sharon said:
No it wasn't the patient.. it was the Nun Administrator.

There is NO indication the patient was Catholic.
Click to expand...

You mean an infidel came in for an abortion? ;)
 
American said:
You mean an infidel came in for an abortion? ;)
Click to expand...

I am missing your point.. The patient's life was in immediate danger and the penalty went to the Nun-Administrator who authorized saving the woman's life.

Why not read the article?
 
tecoyah said:
Is it a different story (To You) when it is a matter of Life and Death?
Click to expand...

No. Not really. Then again my principles are more important to me than my life, so that makes me a little different than most people. I have a DNR, a Living Will, and another legal document that I take with me every time I go to see a new doctor or go to the hospital. They lay out in strict detail the things that I will not allow to be done to/for me. I've had doctors turn me away because of them. That's fine with me. If they won't respect my wishes, I'll go somewhere else.
 
sharon said:
I am missing your point.. The patient's life was in immediate danger and the penalty went to the Nun-Administrator who authorized saving the woman's life.

Why not read the article?
Click to expand...

In saving the woman's life, they took the life of an unborn child.
 
Tigger said:
No. Not really. Then again my principles are more important to me than my life, so that makes me a little different than most people. ...snip...
Click to expand...


Yes...That makes you different than most people.

Generally speaking, you have no principles when dead.

Still, to each there own.
 
tecoyah said:
Yes...That makes you different than most people.

Generally speaking, you have no principles when dead.

Still, to each there own.
Click to expand...

Yes it does make me different than most people. Though I would disagree about having no principles when dead. In fact the first thing that happens after death (as I believe) is an accounting to God(s) as to how well you lived your life according to those Principles.
 
Tigger said:
Yes it does make me different than most people. Though I would disagree about having no principles when dead. In fact the first thing that happens after death (as I believe) is an accounting to God(s) as to how well you lived your life according to those Principles.
Click to expand...


As I said....to each there own.

Likely...GOD would agree with me.

You might try the Idea, would probably help with that whole "Accounting" thingy.
 
tecoyah said:
Likely...GOD would agree with me.

You might try the Idea, would probably help with that whole "Accounting" thingy.
Click to expand...

I've been down that road. It was a complete and utter dead end. I wasted the first 27 years, 1 month, and 5 days of my life on it. That ended at 12:55pm on August 22, 2001 in a hospital room in Middletown, CT. At that moment I saw through the lies and realized that if "GOD" could allow things like that to happen, then there was no worthiness in "His" religion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom