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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    That argument sounds reasonable until one considers the cover ups. It's too wide spread to be ignored.
    Well, by that token, all groups can be demonized. All communists, all OWS, all TP. There have been so many corrupt democrats and republicans, by your logic, would should then judge all democrats and republicans. No, we cannot judge ALL for the actions of some. The concept must equally be applied to every; either all groups are demonized for the actions of some, or all aren't.

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, by that token, all groups can be demonized. All communists, all OWS, all TP. There have been so many corrupt democrats and republicans, by your logic, would should then judge all democrats and republicans. No, we cannot judge ALL for the actions of some. The concept must equally be applied to every; either all groups are demonized for the actions of some, or all aren't.
    There does come a certain point when a group, no matter what it is, reaches a threshold of uselessness and corruption.
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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    There does come a certain point when a group, no matter what it is, reaches a threshold of uselessness and corruption.
    Huh. Which groups do you mean?

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "My leadership"???? Puhleeze. No where did I come out and say that the article that you posted was wrong, only suggested that you stick to reliable sourcing, because when you use sites that can so easily be refuted as the whacked out zealots determined to bring down the Catholic Church rather than help the victims, well then it just brings in the question of what exactly is accomplished by continually bashing what everyone knows has a huge problem within.

    I mean, I used to be Catholic, no longer am, so My "leader" is not the Church, nor the Pope. So when you throw that out to cut, it has no effect partner....


    Thanks.


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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So, for example in 2005, there were 405,000 Catholic priests.

    That means that roughly % 0.0007 of Catholic priests were accused of any incidents that year.

    Stunning, I say. Just stunning. Why with numbers like that, I can truly understand the outrage.

    Just for comparison:

    Odds of you bowling a 300 game: 0.0008%

    Odds you are fluent in Cherokee: 0.0006%

    Odds you will be seriously injured by fireworks this year: 0.0005%

    Odds you will die from slipping in the shower: 0.0004%

    Odds you will be murdered: 0.0006%

    Odds you will date a supermodel: 0.0001%



    Cut the crap, people.


    I simply cannot understand why ANYONE defends this:

    "The 2004 John Jay Report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) was based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The surveys filtered provided information from diocesan files on each priest accused of sexual abuse and on each of the priest's victims to the research team, in a format which did not disclose the names of the accused priests or the dioceses where they worked. The dioceses were encouraged to issue reports of their own based on the surveys that they had completed.

    The 2004 John Jay Report[14] was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002.

    The report stated there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse during this period:

    Around 81 percent of these victims were male.
    22.6% were age 10 or younger, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages to 15 to 17 years.[15][16][17]
    A substantial number (almost 2000) of very young children were victimized by priests during this time period.
    9,281 victim surveys had information about an investigation. In 6,696 (72%) cases, an investigation of the allegation was carried out. Of these, 4,570 (80%) were substantiated; 1,028 (18%) were unsubstantiated; 83 (1.5%) were found to be false. In 56 cases, priests were reported to deny the allegations.
    More than 10 percent of these allegations were characterized as not substantiated. (This does not mean that the allegation was false; it means only that the diocese or order could not determine whether the alleged abuse actually took place.)
    For approximately 20 percent of the allegations, the priest was deceased or inactive at the time of the receipt of the allegation and typically no investigation was conducted in these circumstances.
    In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.

    The 4,392 priests who were accused amount to approximately 4% of the 109,694 priests in active ministry during that time. Of these 4,392, approximately:

    56 percent had one reported allegation against them; 27 percent had two or three allegations against them; nearly 14 percent had four to nine allegations against them; 3 percent (149 priests) had 10 or more allegations against them. These 149 priests were responsible for almost 3,000 victims, or 27 percent of the allegations.[15]
    The allegations were substantiated for 1,872 priests and unsubstantiated for 824 priests. They were thought to be credible for 1,671 priests and not credible for 345 priests. 298 priests and deacons who had been completely exonerated are not included in the study.
    50 percent were 35 years of age or younger at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse.[15]
    Almost 70 percent were ordained before 1970.[15]
    Fewer than 7 percent were reported to have themselves been victims of physical, sexual or emotional abuse as children. Although 19 percent had alcohol or substance abuse problems, 9 percent were reported to have been using drugs or alcohol during the instances of abuse.[15]

    Many of the reported acts of sexual abuse involved fondling or unspecified abuse. There was also a large number of allegations of forced acts of oral sex and intercourse. Detailed information on the nature of the abuse was not reported for 26.6% of the reported allegations. 27.3% of the allegations involved the cleric performing oral sex on the victim. 25.1% of the allegations involved penile penetration or attempted penetration.

    Although there were reported acts of sexual abuse of minors in every year, the incidence of reported abuse increased by several orders of magnitude in the 1960s and 1970s. There was, for example, a more than sixfold increase in the number of reported acts of abuse of males aged 11 to 17 between the 1950s and the 1970s. After peaking in the 1970s, the number of incidents decreased through the 1980s and 1990s even more sharply than the incidence rate had increased in the 1960s and 1970s."


    Catholic sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Go ahead and debase this post as well, attacking the source...but seriously, why?

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Then the celibate Bishops setting church sex policy said, this proves God has a sense of humor.

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I simply cannot understand why ANYONE defends this:

    "The 2004 John Jay Report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) was based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The surveys filtered provided information from diocesan files on each priest accused of sexual abuse and on each of the priest's victims to the research team, in a format which did not disclose the names of the accused priests or the dioceses where they worked. The dioceses were encouraged to issue reports of their own based on the surveys that they had completed.

    The 2004 John Jay Report[14] was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002.

    The report stated there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse during this period:

    Around 81 percent of these victims were male.
    22.6% were age 10 or younger, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages to 15 to 17 years.[15][16][17]
    A substantial number (almost 2000) of very young children were victimized by priests during this time period.
    9,281 victim surveys had information about an investigation. In 6,696 (72%) cases, an investigation of the allegation was carried out. Of these, 4,570 (80%) were substantiated; 1,028 (18%) were unsubstantiated; 83 (1.5%) were found to be false. In 56 cases, priests were reported to deny the allegations.
    More than 10 percent of these allegations were characterized as not substantiated. (This does not mean that the allegation was false; it means only that the diocese or order could not determine whether the alleged abuse actually took place.)
    For approximately 20 percent of the allegations, the priest was deceased or inactive at the time of the receipt of the allegation and typically no investigation was conducted in these circumstances.
    In 38.4% of allegations, the abuse is alleged to have occurred within a single year, in 21.8% the alleged abuse lasted more than a year but less than 2 years, in 28% between 2 and 4 years, in 10.2% between 5 and 9 years and, in under 1%, 10 or more years.

    The 4,392 priests who were accused amount to approximately 4% of the 109,694 priests in active ministry during that time. Of these 4,392, approximately:

    56 percent had one reported allegation against them; 27 percent had two or three allegations against them; nearly 14 percent had four to nine allegations against them; 3 percent (149 priests) had 10 or more allegations against them. These 149 priests were responsible for almost 3,000 victims, or 27 percent of the allegations.[15]
    The allegations were substantiated for 1,872 priests and unsubstantiated for 824 priests. They were thought to be credible for 1,671 priests and not credible for 345 priests. 298 priests and deacons who had been completely exonerated are not included in the study.
    50 percent were 35 years of age or younger at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse.[15]
    Almost 70 percent were ordained before 1970.[15]
    Fewer than 7 percent were reported to have themselves been victims of physical, sexual or emotional abuse as children. Although 19 percent had alcohol or substance abuse problems, 9 percent were reported to have been using drugs or alcohol during the instances of abuse.[15]

    Many of the reported acts of sexual abuse involved fondling or unspecified abuse. There was also a large number of allegations of forced acts of oral sex and intercourse. Detailed information on the nature of the abuse was not reported for 26.6% of the reported allegations. 27.3% of the allegations involved the cleric performing oral sex on the victim. 25.1% of the allegations involved penile penetration or attempted penetration.

    Although there were reported acts of sexual abuse of minors in every year, the incidence of reported abuse increased by several orders of magnitude in the 1960s and 1970s. There was, for example, a more than sixfold increase in the number of reported acts of abuse of males aged 11 to 17 between the 1950s and the 1970s. After peaking in the 1970s, the number of incidents decreased through the 1980s and 1990s even more sharply than the incidence rate had increased in the 1960s and 1970s."


    Catholic sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Go ahead and debase this post as well, attacking the source...but seriously, why?

    I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out the fact that the odds of a boy getting molested by a Catholic priest are only slightly better than that boy's chances of getting struck by lightning.

    Tragic when it happens, but for you to make a big deal of it pretty much just illustrates a bias on your part.

    We get it. You hate the Catholic Church. Like I said, it's a smear tactic. Yawn.

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out the fact that the odds of a boy getting molested by a Catholic priest are only slightly better than that boy's chances of getting struck by lightning.

    Tragic when it happens, but for you to make a big deal of it pretty much just illustrates a bias on your part.

    We get it. You hate the Catholic Church. Like I said, it's a smear tactic. Yawn.

    OK....done

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    I don't know if I believe it.

    Why is it always priests and boys, never girls? Why ALWAYS only homosexual rape of children?

    Srly, what is the psychology?

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    Re: Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Article can be found here (Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God)

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    To sum up my views on this, I would like to say that I would have no problem if something were to "accidentally" happen to these imbeciles. Like, if they were "accidentally" beaten till they were black and blue or "accidentally" sent to Gitmo and subject to psychological torture. If either of those things happened, I'd be hard-pressed to find a problem with it.
    The sad thing is not only will this person grow up and have issues with abuse, they will probably also grow up and have issues with the Catholic Church and possibly with religion. The priest is an obvious pervert, and he should be kicked out of the church... it's a disgrace.

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