Going forward, might I recommend you avoid anything copied, pasted, or otherwise something other than the original document for your own posts...seems reasonable right?
Last edited by tecoyah; 02-16-12 at 06:20 PM.
I kid you not...if you decide to call me ignorant again, I may begin to get unpleasant...warnings or not.
I have posted multiple documents refuting your claim of Catholic Normalcy in this regard, you dispute the information as is your perogative. But I have yet to get personal, regardless of the continuous opportunity to do so. If your actions are the Catholic Way...you have created a beautiful context to play on.
What there is proof of is some perverts infiltrated the catholic church and used it as a means to abuse children. A FEW others MIGHT have known something had happened.
That is a far cry from the entirety of the church or the entirety of the church hierarchy conspiring, condoning, encouraging or accepting any of this behavior.
Those guilty should be punished. That is all.
Well, let me just ask a simple question of you. The "study" you posted, uses a site called "alterboys.net", and they list their legal advisor, and assistance contact as a Mr. John Aretakis, an attorney who's office is located in NY. After a cursory search of this man I found this....
ALBANY — Controversial attorney John Aretakis was suspended from practicing law for one year after he was found guilty of professional misconduct charges in a decision issued by the Appellate Division of the state Supreme Court Thursday.
Appellate Division justices decided the case, which was petitioned by the Committee on Professional Standards, after considering evidence from various incidents from 2005 to 2007 where Aretakis had been sanctioned by multiple judges for “frivolous conduct” in the courtroom.
“We find that this record clearly shows that the respondent has repeatedly crossed the line separating zealous advocacy from professional misconduct,” according to the unanimous decision. “Accordingly, we conclude that, to protect the public, deter similar misconduct, and preserve the reputation of the bar, respondent should be suspended from practice for a period of one year.”
Throughout the decision, Aretakis was cited for knowingly making false statements of law and fact, making accusations that were prejudicial to the administration of justice, and engaging in undignified and discourteous conduct degrading to the court.
In 2005, Aretakis was sanctioned by acting Rensselaer County Court Judge Christian Hummel for submitting a recusal motion in a criminal matter where he made charges that the judge had participated in a criminal conspiracy to predetermine cases, committed federal mail fraud, and engaged in a conspiracy to tamper with court files.
Attorney John Aretakis suspended for one year; read the decision - troyrecord.com
Now I am not saying that the site you are using is a fraud, I really can't judge that and no one can, because we can't see the internals of the study, or the methodology, but something striking about what this legal advisor of theirs seems to have on the brain is conspiracy. And he was suspended from practicing law because of it...
Might you have something to make a point with that is from even a remotely credible source?
Sure...allow me to document what has become common knowledge to everyone not defending the Catholic Church, then debase the new source in an attempt to protect your Leadership:
The study of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests and deacons resulting in this report was authorized and paid for by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) pursuant to the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People (Charter) unanimously adopted by the USCCB at its June 2002 meeting. The Charter called for many responses to this victimization of minors within the Catholic Church. Article 9 of the Charter provided for the creation of a lay body, the National Review Board, which was mandated (among other things) to commission a descriptive study of the nature and scope of the problem of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.
Accordingly, the Board approached John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct such a study. The College assembled an experienced team of researchers with expertise in the areas of forensic psychology, criminology, and human behavior, and, working with the Board, formulated a methodology to address the study mandate. Data collection commenced in March 2003, and ended in February 2004. The information contained in this report is based upon surveys provided by 195 dioceses, representing 98% all diocesan priests in the United States, and 140 religious communities, representing approximately 60% of religious communities and 80% of all religious priests.
The mandate for the study was to:
1. Examine the number and nature of allegations of sexual abuse of minors under the age of 18 by Catholic priests between 1950 and 2002.
2. Collect information about the alleged abusers, including official status in the church, age, number of victims, responses by the church and legal authorities to the allegations of abuse, and other characteristics of the alleged abusers.
3. Collect information about the characteristics of the alleged victims, the nature of their relationship to the alleged abusers, the nature of the abuse, and the time frame within which the allegations are reported.
4. Accumulate information about the financial impact of the abuse on the Church.
Three surveys provide the data for this study:
1. A profile of each diocese, providing information about characteristics of the diocese including region and size, the total numbers of allegations, and the total expenditures occasioned by allegations of abuse.
2. A survey of church records relating to individual priests against whom allegations of abuse had been made.
3. A survey of church records relating to the alleged victims of abuse and the nature of the alleged abuse.
Based upon the inquiries and communications that we received from the dioceses, eparchies and religious communities, it is our impression that, despite the complexity of the surveys and the difficulties of identifying relevant church records, these data reflect a conscientious and good-faith effort to provide exhaustive and reliable information regarding allegations of abuse made to church authorities."
Catholic Priest Abuse Scandal Statistics from the Executive Summary by John Jay College of Criminal Justice
Please note the drop reporting, as it ties in directly to the time frame of scandal exposure.
"My leadership"???? Puhleeze. No where did I come out and say that the article that you posted was wrong, only suggested that you stick to reliable sourcing, because when you use sites that can so easily be refuted as the whacked out zealots determined to bring down the Catholic Church rather than help the victims, well then it just brings in the question of what exactly is accomplished by continually bashing what everyone knows has a huge problem within.
I mean, I used to be Catholic, no longer am, so My "leader" is not the Church, nor the Pope. So when you throw that out to cut, it has no effect partner....
So, for example in 2005, there were 405,000 Catholic priests.
That means that roughly % 0.0007 of Catholic priests were accused of any incidents that year.
Stunning, I say. Just stunning. Why with numbers like that, I can truly understand the outrage.
Just for comparison:
Odds of you bowling a 300 game: 0.0008%
Odds you are fluent in Cherokee: 0.0006%
Odds you will be seriously injured by fireworks this year: 0.0005%
Odds you will die from slipping in the shower: 0.0004%
Odds you will be murdered: 0.0006%
Odds you will date a supermodel: 0.0001%
Cut the crap, people.
Last edited by Peter Grimm; 02-16-12 at 08:02 PM.