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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Yes.. and I think they have made very poor choices in Palestine over the past 80 years... that have brought us to this impasse.
    Like what?


    Ahmadinejad is not the power in Iran.. He's the mouthpiece. If he were the power, we would have resolved this mess. I wouldn't compare him to Hitler.. Bush did that with Saddam Hussein..

    Amhad...may not be the power, but the Mullah's either approve of his words, or they are scared of him. Either way it makes him dangerous when he talks of wiping out Israel. As for Godwining the thread, I am not trying to do that, but we must not be afraid to make the comparison especially when the people he wants to wipe out are one in the same.

    Oh I don't really know.. The last attempt was 1924.. I think it lasted two weeks. There were some small ones in Yemen and I believe in Sudan, but they had absolutely no clout in the Arab world.
    The point is that the goal of caliphate in not dead, just not realized by the right person. And when that day comes, it could very well be a horrible outcome, no?

    The Arab states all have their own interests and priorities.. there will never be another Caliphate unless its an honorarium.. and that is doubtful.. There are just too many different sects in Islam.
    Don't these different sects work together when the situation calls for it?

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Like what?


    Name a year.. The European refugees considered the Arabs in Palestine NON person.


    Amhad...may not be the power, but the Mullah's either approve of his words, or they are scared of him. Either way it makes him dangerous when he talks of wiping out Israel. As for Godwining the thread, I am not trying to do that, but we must not be afraid to make the comparison especially when the people he wants to wipe out are one in the same.

    Amhad is on the outs with the Mullahs for months and there are rumors of a coup. He didn't threaten to wipe Israel off the map.. He basically said that Zionism would pass from the pages of history and that if Israel attacked, they would retaliate.

    The point is that the goal of caliphate in not dead, just not realized by the right person. And when that day comes, it could very well be a horrible outcome, no?

    Are you speaking for the goals of the Caliphate and the Arab mind? The Saudis, Kuwaitis, Egyptians, Omanis, Yemenese all have different aspirations.

    Don't these different sects work together when the situation calls for it?

    What situation?

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So your answer is, just let them be slaughtered?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The Arab Spring is just a new name for the war on terror. John McCain boasts about the endgame. Obama is nothing except a NeoCon in sheeps clothing.

    "US Senator John McCain, chairmen of the International Republican Institute, an organization dedicated to fomenting extraterritorial seditious unrest and revolution throughout the world, openly said of the unrest his IRI had helped fund starting in Egypt, ravaging Libya, and now consuming Syria, "I would be a little less cocky in the Kremlin with my KGB cronies today if I were Vladimir Putin. I would be a little less secure in the seaside resort [of] President Hu and a few men who govern and decide the fate of 1.3 billion people."

    Land Destroyer: JP Blabs Truth About Western Stance Toward Syria: To Weaken Iran
    Like other stories from the Arab Spring, these "slaughter" propaganda accounts are manufactured by NGO's human rights groups, and these Western funded NGO's are fronts for corporatists who want to plunder natural resources. Also missing from your analysis is the petro-dollar. As Iran and Libya allegedly wanted oil traded in euros or at least Quadaffi was going to switch before he was assassinated. And someone has yet to mention the Shanghai Co Op.

    "Giraldi adds that the CIA analysts themselves are "skeptical regarding the approach to war", as they know that the frequently cited United Nations account of civilians killed is based largely on rebel sources and uncorroborated. The CIA has "refused to sign off on the claims" of mass defections from the Syrian Army. Likewise, accounts of pitched battles between deserters and loyal soldiers "appear to be a fabrication, with few defections being confirmed independently"."

    Asia Times Online :: Run-up to proxy war over Syria
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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't recall saying that I was giving superior perspective, could you point out where I said that?.....Only that I wanted to know in what capacity she was there, it makes a difference as to the lens she sees the ME through, and I am interested. Now, go troll elsewhere. Thanks.


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    Well, you clearly stated that you can't judge her credibility on this topic without knowing her background and experience. Are you claiming that we should trust your opinion on this subject without similar disclosure?

    "Then I have no other conclusion to come to other than you are not being honest of your supposed knowledge from which you speak. I wasn't trying to box you in, rather determine from what position of experience you speak from. I mean after all I wouldn't see what it matters, you telling me that is, this is an anonymus board, and no one knows who you are so, the only reason to say that you will NOT tell me, just lends a lack of credibility into what you say....Sorry....Have a nice day."

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, you clearly stated that you can't judge her credibility on this topic without knowing her background and experience. Are you claiming that we should trust your opinion on this subject without similar disclosure?

    "Then I have no other conclusion to come to other than you are not being honest of your supposed knowledge from which you speak. I wasn't trying to box you in, rather determine from what position of experience you speak from. I mean after all I wouldn't see what it matters, you telling me that is, this is an anonymus board, and no one knows who you are so, the only reason to say that you will NOT tell me, just lends a lack of credibility into what you say....Sorry....Have a nice day."
    I think what is missing here is the big picture.. During the first 30 years of the oil business in Arabia, Americans were involved in every aspect of development.. from building roads and power plants.. to drilling water wells, to eradicating Malaria, to education and training up a Saudi labor force...to constant negotiation with the SAG and the king.

    The American community was quite small.. and everyone was a designated diplomat. We were taught that we came to get the oil NOT to reform Arab culture or act as missionaries.

    That may be difficult for someone who works for Kroger Corporation or GE etc.. in the US to wrap their head around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I think what is missing here is the big picture.. During the first 30 years of the oil business in Arabia, Americans were involved in every aspect of development.. from building roads and power plants.. to drilling water wells, to eradicating Malaria, to education and training up a Saudi labor force...to constant negotiation with the SAG and the king.

    The American community was quite small.. and everyone was a designated diplomat. We were taught that we came to get the oil NOT to reform Arab culture or act as missionaries.

    That may be difficult for someone who works for Kroger Corporation or GE etc.. in the US to wrap their head around.
    Yes, we did much good for the Arab community without expecting anything but fair trade didn't we? Heh, imperialists I think not. But, you're on to something here, see in your insult of my profession you failed to recognise that we were actually starting a civil conversation before you let Adam pull you back to trollville. Shame really.

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, we did much good for the Arab community without expecting anything but fair trade didn't we? Heh, imperialists I think not. But, you're on to something here, see in your insult of my profession you failed to recognise that we were actually starting a civil conversation before you let Adam pull you back to trollville. Shame really.

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    We? Were you involved?

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    We? Were you involved?

    No, other than being a voting American. Does that mean that I am not allowed an opinion?


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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, other than being a voting American. Does that mean that I am not allowed an opinion?


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    LOLOL, the success of ARAMCO was about keeping the US government OUT of the equasion. The men who made it happen were REAL Americans from Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.

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    Re: Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    LOLOL, the success of ARAMCO was about keeping the US government OUT of the equasion. The men who made it happen were REAL Americans from Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.

    Oh, I see, I misunderstood....No, I have never been conected with the oil business.


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