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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If this were not an election year, I suppose the Democrats in the Senate would be fasttracking this bill. Since there is a question as to who will be the next President, I predict the Senate will sit on this.
    That is fine because anything Hussein Obama vetoes the Congress has to approve......Not much of a veto if youask me
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    On the other hand, if the GOP tries to start running on the "OTHER SIDE IS OBSTRUCTIONIST" argument, they're just going to highlight how they have thrown up roadblocks for nearly every single bill the Democrats have put up.
    The dems had both houses and the presidency for 2 years. Why didn't they get anything done then except a whole bunch of spending that has not been paid for.
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    I don't care what side of the aisle you are on I believe that all Presidents should have this ability. I'm sick and tired of hearing about some special interest group getting money whenever they pass a military spending bill even though that special interest group has NOTHING to do with the military. I especially hate the partisan talk from one group blaming the other group about "not caring for our troops" because they voted against a military spending bill even though it was the pork in it that the one group objected to and not the military spending.
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't care what side of the aisle you are on I believe that all Presidents should have this ability. I'm sick and tired of hearing about some special interest group getting money whenever they pass a military spending bill even though that special interest group has NOTHING to do with the military. I especially hate the partisan talk from one group blaming the other group about "not caring for our troops" because they voted against a military spending bill even though it was the pork in it that the one group objected to and not the military spending.
    The only thing a line item veto will is grant the president the power to veto things he doesn't want and keep the things he does want. This does not in any shape or form mean the president will cut any pork.All it means is that if a president is a democrat then anything in the bill that republicans want will be vetoed and if the president is a republican then that means anything the democrats want will be vetoed. There are other ways to cut pork.Like one subject at a time law.
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only thing a line item veto will is grant the president the power to veto things he doesn't want and keep the things he does want. This does not in any shape or form mean the president will cut any pork.All it means is that if a president is a democrat then anything in the bill that republicans want will be vetoed and if the president is a republican then that means anything the democrats want will be vetoed. There are other ways to cut pork.Like one subject at a time law.
    This is true. But I am an optimist and I still hold out hope for a President that actually gives a damn about our country instead of him/herself.
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is true. But I am an optimist and I still hold out hope for a President that actually gives a damn about our country instead of him/herself.
    I believe that if you give elected officials an inch the they will try to take a mile(63,360 inches). If both sides were actually serious about cutting pork spending the president would veto every bill that had pork in it and tell them to write another bill without any pork, they would pass a one subject at a time bill, they would make the person who put in the pork get right out front of everyone on C-span and explain why the **** why this bill needs that pork spending. Elected officials have had decades to do something on the matter of pork spending and unrelated spending.There is no reason to believe that a line item veto would be any different. The only thing giving the president a line item veto power would do is basically neuter all opposition. Its like handing a can full of gas and handful of matches to a arsonist and expecting him to put out the fire.
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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    This is every president's wetdream though.
    Clinton might have briefly had the line item veto, but it wasn't his wet dream.

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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only thing a line item veto will is grant the president the power to veto things he doesn't want and keep the things he does want. This does not in any shape or form mean the president will cut any pork.All it means is that if a president is a democrat then anything in the bill that republicans want will be vetoed and if the president is a republican then that means anything the democrats want will be vetoed. There are other ways to cut pork.Like one subject at a time law.
    Towit: Riders and amendments to appropriations bills.

    I get so tired of Congressmen from both chambers on either side of the political divide attaching BS to bills that have absolutely nothing to do with the bill. One recent example was the bill over the payroll tax cuts at the end of last year that got House Republicans in such a pickle. The only reason the bill ran into a stumbling block was somebody in their infinite wisdom just had to attach the KeystoneXL pipeline provision to it.

    Frankly, I was glad when members of Congress finally pressured one another to do away with earmarks because congressmen started being called out for their wreckless spending. You can't continue to claim that the deficit is too big while also stuffing bills and padding the budget with more and more wasteful spending while also blaming others for the nation's debt and deficit problems.

    End riders and only approve amendments that are germane to the proposed bill and you never need a line item veto - as far as adding more pork to bills are concerned.

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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe that if you give elected officials an inch the they will try to take a mile(63,360 inches). If both sides were actually serious about cutting pork spending the president would veto every bill that had pork in it and tell them to write another bill without any pork, they would pass a one subject at a time bill, they would make the person who put in the pork get right out front of everyone on C-span and explain why the **** why this bill needs that pork spending. Elected officials have had decades to do something on the matter of pork spending and unrelated spending.There is no reason to believe that a line item veto would be any different. The only thing giving the president a line item veto power would do is basically neuter all opposition. Its like handing a can full of gas and handful of matches to a arsonist and expecting him to put out the fire.
    Totally agree here.

    Call out the congressman who put the "pork" in the bill and make him explain to the public why such spending was necessary, i.e., "Why, Mr. Congressman, did you put appropriations for airport runway repairs in a bill that deals with education reform?" What's he going to say? That pilots in training need good runways to test how to take off land planes?

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    Re: House votes to give Obama limited line-item veto

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Totally agree here.

    Call out the congressman who put the "pork" in the bill and make him explain to the public why such spending was necessary, i.e., "Why, Mr. Congressman, did you put appropriations for airport runway repairs in a bill that deals with education reform?" What's he going to say? That pilots in training need good runways to test how to take off land planes?
    That's why I like that idea. If they can be publicly shamed then they most likely will avoid sticking pork into bills.This is one of the reasons we know they are not serious about getting rid of pork.If they were serious then would call out these guys when they add **** like this.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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