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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What, fighting illegal dictates from the boy king is a bad move politically? Should they be trying to out borrow and spend money we don't have with Obama to show they "care" about people?
    Illegal dictates?

    "We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition."

    -Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority opinion in Employment Division v. Smith.

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Illegal dictates?

    "We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition."

    -Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority opinion in Employment Division v. Smith.

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Scalia will be one of those who rule that Obamacare isn't a valid law.
    Then he will be going against legal precedent he, himself have set.

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then he will be going against legal precedent he, himself have set.
    He clearly stated "a valid law".

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    He clearly stated "a valid law".
    And what makes a federal law valid?

    For starters, the mere fact that it exist per the Constitutional process. Put bluntly, a federal law remains "valid" until:

    a) it is repealed by Congress (and the subsequent repeal legislation is signed by the President);

    b) it is replace by a subsequent law; or,

    c) it is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

    Until one of the three occurs, the law as codified in U.S. Code IS the law and, thus, is "valid".
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-15-12 at 08:37 PM.

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And what makes a federal law valid?
    The Supreme Court stating whether it is or not.

    For starters, the mere fact that it exist per the Constitutional process. Put bluntly, a federal law remains "valid" until:

    a) it is repealed by Congress (and the subsequent repeal legislation is signed by the President);

    b) it is replace by a subsequent law; or,

    c) it is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

    Until one of the three occurs, the law as codified in U.S. Code IS the law and, thus, is "valid".
    And as soon as they rule, it won't be. But all the same, a law or rule that there is absolutely no way you can enforce is never really valid.

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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Republican establishment makes their campaigns about religion regardless of what year it is. In 2008, they made it about Obama's religion. In 2004, they made it about gay marriage. In 2000, they made it about family values. In 1998, they made the congress elections about Clinton's infidelity and how it went against Christian values. The list just keeps on going on how and what issues the religious right has chosen to make almost every important election about.
    It is about religious rights, the sanctity of the First Amendment and how Obama is trampling on basic, fundamental Constitutional rights...
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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not backing off.

    Catholic bishops said Friday night that they would not support the Obama administration's proposed compromise on a controversial rule that requires most employers to fully cover contraception in their workers' health plans.

    Catholic Bishops Oppose Obama Compromise on Birth-Control Insurance - WSJ.com
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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is about religious rights, the sanctity of the First Amendment and how Obama is trampling on basic, fundamental Constitutional rights...
    Some religions don't believe that ANY treatment should be given a patient (Christian Scientists, for example). Should that mean they have a constitutional right to deny any and all medical care to others? If you say no to this, then logicially, you must also say no to the Catholic church where it comes to contraception. After all, many who work for Catholic charities are not Catholic, and the Catholic church does not have the right to force their religion down the throats of others, any more than Christian Scientists do. If so, that is, to grant the Catholic church what they want but not Christian Scientists, would be respecting the establishment of one religion over another, which is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth cont

    The fact is that a majority of Americans, AND a majority of Catholic Americans support Obama's compromise position. In fact there is virtually no difference in support between Catholics and non-Catholics.

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