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Judge gives teen killer's sentence

Same reason Jeffrey Dahmer wanted to taste human flesh?
They are wackos. I'm glad she was busted before becoming an expert on being what she probably would have been....a serial killer.
 
Same reason Jeffrey Dahmer wanted to taste human flesh?
They are wackos. I'm glad she was busted before becoming an expert on being what she probably would have been....a serial killer.

Agreed. Though, I wonder what the brain scans of serial killers might have in common..
 
Agreed. Though, I wonder what the brain scans of serial killers might have in common..
Disagree, obviously a warped person but very very few women become serial killers. When they do it is usually in cahoots with a man or for profit. She would far more likely become a crack whore or something similar as women tend to internalize.

Having said that, she is a piece of **** and should be executed in very short order.
 
Disagree, obviously a warped person but very very few women become serial killers. When they do it is usually in cahoots with a man or for profit. She would far more likely become a crack whore or something similar as women tend to internalize.

Having said that, she is a piece of **** and should be executed in very short order.

Tangible evidence helps. She did something vile. That aside, I wonder if there are any similarities among the brain scans of serial killers. If there's anything about it on Google I'll post it here.
 
Tangible evidence helps. She did something vile. That aside, I wonder if there are any similarities among the brain scans of serial killers. If there's anything about it on Google I'll post it here.
Although some serial killers have some trauma to the brain, the primary problem is that they have a void in their make up. Whereas others have a conscience, they have none. Many successful people are actually psychopaths as they tend to be above average in intelligence. It certainly doesn't mean they will be murderers though, but they will not hesitate to do so if they find it advantageous sexually or financially.
 
This kind of case just pretty much affirms my thoughts on people that oppose the death penalty. Terrible...bad...she should rot in prison for the rest of her life and we should never give her a seconds thought...but...hey...lets not execute her...because...after all...we 'care'...
 
Although some serial killers have some trauma to the brain, the primary problem is that they have a void in their make up. Whereas others have a conscience, they have none. Many successful people are actually psychopaths as they tend to be above average in intelligence. It certainly doesn't mean they will be murderers though, but they will not hesitate to do so if they find it advantageous sexually or financially.

I'm leery of using "conscience" since it's subjective. Regarding intellect, that reminds me of that excellent show, Dexter.

The psychopathic serial killer's mind is something that merits more research.
 
Tangible evidence helps. She did something vile. That aside, I wonder if there are any similarities among the brain scans of serial killers. If there's anything about it on Google I'll post it here.

As the brain is the seat of consciousness, everything ultimately boils down to neurology. Unfortunately; our understanding of the brain, while impressive, and progressing all the time, is not sufficient to identify psychopaths simply on the basis of a single brain scan. This research is in it's infancy, really.
 
As the brain is the seat of consciousness, everything ultimately boils down to neurology. Unfortunately; our understanding of the brain, while impressive, and progressing all the time, is not sufficient to identify psychopaths simply on the basis of a single brain scan. This research is in it's infancy, really.

Interesting. Thank you.
 
I'm leery of using "conscience" since it's subjective. Regarding intellect, that reminds me of that excellent show, Dexter.

The psychopathic serial killer's mind is something that merits more research.

If you're truly interested you should read Anatomy of Motive by John Douglas. He spearheaded the FBI's profiling legacy at Quantico and spent a lot of time researching and interviewing some of this most prolific serial killers ever caught in the U.S. from the 1950s to the 1980s.
 
Although some serial killers have some trauma to the brain, the primary problem is that they have a void in their make up. Whereas others have a conscience, they have none. Many successful people are actually psychopaths as they tend to be above average in intelligence. It certainly doesn't mean they will be murderers though, but they will not hesitate to do so if they find it advantageous sexually or financially.

That's mostly accurate. While a number of violent psychopaths have experienced head trauma, this is insufficient. There also seems to be a genetic link, but this isn't sufficient, either. The most significant precursor to sociopathy appears to be abuse, or neglect in very early childhood.

Yes, psychopaths often excel at a number of things. They tend to be charming, and pursuasive. Ted Bundy was a bright law school student, and a mover, and shaker in local Republican politics. John Wayne Gacy was a highly successful businessman. Gary Heidnik was a financial whiz. Etc., etc.

You are also correct in pointing out that, while they have no conscience, most psychopaths are not murderers.
 
I agree. She should never get out and she should not be allowed to sit in prison milking tax payers for the next 60 years.

I agree, but it was a plea deal and by making the 2 sentences run "consecutively" rather than concurrently she'll be there a long time regardless - probably. it will depend, in part, then if people show up or write protesting granting parole.

The prosecution may have had some glitches in the case, or balking witnesses etc or even the family's request (privately), can't really know.
 
If you're truly interested you should read Anatomy of Motive by John Douglas. He spearheaded the FBI's profiling legacy at Quantico and spent a lot of time researching and interviewing some of this most prolific serial killers ever caught in the U.S. from the 1950s to the 1980s.

I'm searching that on my library tab right now. Sounds like an awesome book.

EDIT: Awesome, I just placed a hold on it. Thanks.
 
If you're truly interested you should read Anatomy of Motive by John Douglas. He spearheaded the FBI's profiling legacy at Quantico and spent a lot of time researching and interviewing some of this most prolific serial killers ever caught in the U.S. from the 1950s to the 1980s.

I'd also recommend Mindhunter.
 
I'm searching that on my library tab right now. Sounds like an awesome book.

EDIT: Awesome, I just placed a hold on it. Thanks.

I read it during my "I want to be an FBI profiler" phase...which lasted until I realized my eye sight, asthma, and bad knees would never qualify me for the prerequisite field work.
 
I'm leery of using "conscience" since it's subjective. Regarding intellect, that reminds me of that excellent show, Dexter.

The psychopathic serial killer's mind is something that merits more research.
Psychology is almost by definition subjective. Serial killers, almost to a tee are sexually motivated. There are killers who are hired whose motives are very different than the classic serial killer. Someone who kills for profit is psychologically distinct from those who derive a perverse form of pleasure. It is not really a very complex distinction.
 
Psychology is almost by definition subjective. Serial killers, almost to a tee are sexually motivated. There are killers who are hired whose motives are very different than the classic serial killer. Someone who kills for profit is psychologically distinct from those who derive a perverse form of pleasure. It is not really a very complex distinction.

Well, whatever the case, I hope I never marry one. :mrgreen:
 
I'd also recommend Mindhunter.

The cases that haunt us : from Jack the Ripper to JonBenet Ramsey, the FBI's legendary mindhunter sheds new light on the mysteries that won't go away Author Douglas, John E. Call
2000

Placed a hold on that one too. Creepy yet fascinating. Sort of like spiders.
 
Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.
 
Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.

On one hand there's decades of costs for food, shelter, electricity, additional prisons built to house more life-sentenced prisoners, etc.

What bugs me is, well, what if the court condemns an innocent man? Just reading a few stories where innocent people spent decades in prison should change people's minds on the death penalty.
 
On one hand there's decades of costs for food, shelter, electricity, additional prisons built to house more life-sentenced prisoners, etc.

When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.

What bugs me is, well, what if the court condemns an innocent man? Just reading a few stories where innocent people spent decades in prison should change people's minds on the death penalty.

Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.
 
Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.
On the contrary, it achieves three very vital things:

It is justice.
It ensures that this person will never kill again.
It saves money on the life-long incarceration of worthless lives.
 
When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.



Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.

Well, if the person is 100% proven guilty, for the sake of justice and closure, we should weigh that in the balance, imo.

That point is pretty heavy. If I were innocent it's suck to sufferin prison for a decade and then have poison pumped through my veins. Perhaps some people in their quest for justice are blind.
 
On the contrary, it achieves three very vital things:

It is justice.
It ensures that this person will never kill again.
It saves money on the life-long incarceration of worthless lives.

But your third point.

What if that worthless life is innocent?
 
When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.



Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.
This is where you are wrong. Feigning concern about the cost of the death penalty is disingenuous. The appeals process, even in cases which are air-tight and even more readily so proven by dna matches, is something which could easily be disposed of. The Chinese put a bullet to the head of the convicted with no qualms and used to charge the price of the bullet to the family. They no longer ask the family for the price of the bullet, but they've got everything else right.
 
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