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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Just so we are very clear. She is guilty. She admits she is guilty.
    Yes.

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    You hate her and loathe her and will not give her a seconds thought or compassion after the cell door is slammed on her for the rest of her life.
    This is just emotional nonsense. I have no investment in this girl. What she did was, admittedly, atrocious.

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    But...you would join 'the cause' to keep her from being executed...because you care. Society can be 'humane' in imprisoning her for the rest of her life, but executing her...that would be 'uncivilized'.
    I’m opposed to capital punishment. Period.

    Behind the sensationalism, that’s mostly accurate. This girl is, clearly a menace to society. She needs to be punished for her crime, just as society needs to be protected from individuals like her. Someday, neuroscience could very conceivably develop to the point where individuals such as this can be identified, or even cured, before they harm anyone. Today, however, that is impossible. Today this best alternative is to place her in a facility, where she can pay for her crime, and where society can be protected from her predations. I don’t feel any emotional attachment to this individual. I am simply opposed to state-sanctioned murder.

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    Quick...without reviewing the thread...what's her name again? And three years from now...how often will you consider her status? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? 35? 40? 45? 50? 55? 60? 65? 70? (thats about right...she could easily live to be 90 in todays day and age)

    we 'care'...
    I can’t find any specifics as to the verdict. However; from the sound of it, she won’t be eligible for parole for quite some time. Most likely, she’ll be an elderly woman when she gets paroled, presuming she’s ever paroled. I played no part in this verdict. If it were up to me; I’d impose a life sentence. It isn’t.

    Again; this is a red herring. It isn’t about caring.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    She confessed and had written in her diary that after she got over the "ick" she felt really good about what she did. She ended the diary entry with something along the lines of "Gotta run to church now, LOL".
    Sick + guilty = extra crispy.

    I wish.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    It isn’t equivalent, (For starters, in order to be reciprocal, Ted Bundy would have to have been executed at least 17 times.) and it isn’t justice. By this logic we should also formally sodomize rapists, and pedophiles.
    Agreed! Eye for an eye.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Roper v. Simmons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    She probably reads and understands what she's reading far better than you do. It's just a wild guess though.
    Why thank you Hatuey. I wasn't aware SCOTUS had pushed stupid that far.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    It isn’t about caring.
    Indeed. Truer words were never spoken. Caged...out of sight, out of mind...and you feel all 'civilized.'

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Indeed. Truer words were never spoken. Caged...out of sight, out of mind...and you feel all 'civilized.'
    Well, I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel anything at all except relief this nutbar is behind bars and will stay there for a long time. I'd prefer her poked with a needle and to cease breathing. Actually, I'd prefer her to to hang. She wants to know what it feels like to kill? I'd love for her to know what it feels like to die.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

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    Agreed! Eye for an eye.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    I read about this yesterday. Truly an appalling crime, seemingly done for NO REASON other than the "thrill" of killing.... girl is a sociopath and needs to never be out in society again.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Roper v. Simmons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    She probably reads and understands what she's reading far better than you do. It's just a wild guess though.
    If they other justices are similar to Ginsburg then I seriously doubt they even bothered to look at the constitution.
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    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Friday that as a justice she considers foreign laws not just U.S. laws and its Constitution - in forming her legal opinions.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    For me personally?? If they (1) acted alone, (2) appear (through evidence) to have planned and thought out the crime prior to its commission, (3) caused undo trauma or suffering prior to death (i.e. slow torture), (4) mutilated/rape/otherwise disrespect the body (living or dead), and (4) can be shown to have no compelling mental handicap we should look at their age only minimally.

    In the majority decision for the SCOTUS case Hatuey posted, two of the major reasons for disallowing the death penalty for minors included a general understanding that peer pressure is harder for a teen to avoid and a limited ability to avoid situations that lead to criminal behavior may make minors more likely to commit crimes they would otherwise not have committed. I think both of those facts are completely irrelevant in the case at hand (again, IMO), as this girl acted on her own, planned the crime, and committed it on her own (with the exception of tricking her sister into coaxing the victim over).

    At 15, the socio-emotional skill set is well developed and she would have already reached the developmental point at which empathy springs up. She would have been perfectly capable, barring socio/psychopathy, of understanding the implications of her actions and was under no pressure to commit them.

    Now, that isn't to say we should willy-nilly apply the death sentence to those who commit murder...but I think an arbitrary exemption on the basis of age should be weighed very heavily against the facts of the crime before we start weighing sentencing options.
    I sorta think all these arguments were made in 2005. They were losers. What would you like to debate next?

    BTW, the Supremes have also ruled we cannot execute the mentally retarded or mentally ill. I'm guessing that frustrates your bloodlust as well?

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