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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

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    I'm leery of using "conscience" since it's subjective. Regarding intellect, that reminds me of that excellent show, Dexter.

    The psychopathic serial killer's mind is something that merits more research.
    Psychology is almost by definition subjective. Serial killers, almost to a tee are sexually motivated. There are killers who are hired whose motives are very different than the classic serial killer. Someone who kills for profit is psychologically distinct from those who derive a perverse form of pleasure. It is not really a very complex distinction.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Psychology is almost by definition subjective. Serial killers, almost to a tee are sexually motivated. There are killers who are hired whose motives are very different than the classic serial killer. Someone who kills for profit is psychologically distinct from those who derive a perverse form of pleasure. It is not really a very complex distinction.
    Well, whatever the case, I hope I never marry one.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

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    I'd also recommend Mindhunter.
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    Placed a hold on that one too. Creepy yet fascinating. Sort of like spiders.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.
    On one hand there's decades of costs for food, shelter, electricity, additional prisons built to house more life-sentenced prisoners, etc.

    What bugs me is, well, what if the court condemns an innocent man? Just reading a few stories where innocent people spent decades in prison should change people's minds on the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    On one hand there's decades of costs for food, shelter, electricity, additional prisons built to house more life-sentenced prisoners, etc.
    When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What bugs me is, well, what if the court condemns an innocent man? Just reading a few stories where innocent people spent decades in prison should change people's minds on the death penalty.
    Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.
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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Getting back to the subject at hand; personally, I'm totally opposed to the death penalty, for a number of reasons. I can't justify giving the state the power to murder someone. (Of course, as far as I'm concerned; the state shouldn't even exist.) Also; it serves no constructive purpose. It doesn't bring the victims back. It's merely institutionalized vengeance, and a stain on all our consciences for tolerating it.
    On the contrary, it achieves three very vital things:

    It is justice.
    It ensures that this person will never kill again.
    It saves money on the life-long incarceration of worthless lives.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.



    Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.
    Well, if the person is 100% proven guilty, for the sake of justice and closure, we should weigh that in the balance, imo.

    That point is pretty heavy. If I were innocent it's suck to sufferin prison for a decade and then have poison pumped through my veins. Perhaps some people in their quest for justice are blind.

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

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    On the contrary, it achieves three very vital things:

    It is justice.
    It ensures that this person will never kill again.
    It saves money on the life-long incarceration of worthless lives.
    But your third point.

    What if that worthless life is innocent?

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    Re: Judge gives teen killer's sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    When you consider all the costs involved in executing someone, the appeals, etc., the financial gain is minimal, at best. Also; this is a pretty poor reason to rationalize killing a human being, nomatter how vile.



    Also an excellent point. Just one is too many.
    This is where you are wrong. Feigning concern about the cost of the death penalty is disingenuous. The appeals process, even in cases which are air-tight and even more readily so proven by dna matches, is something which could easily be disposed of. The Chinese put a bullet to the head of the convicted with no qualms and used to charge the price of the bullet to the family. They no longer ask the family for the price of the bullet, but they've got everything else right.

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