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    Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    During church services on Sunday, Catholics around the country were read a blistering letter assailing the Obama administration for an "assault on religious liberty" in the form of a coming requirement that most church-linked organizations - among them hospitals, schools and universities - offer birth control coverage as part of their health care plans.
    Despite strong lobbying from religious groups, the Health and Human Services Department announced earlier this month that most church-linked groups will not be exempt from the requirements - which also mandate that no co-pay be charged for contraceptive services - though they will have an extra year to comply beyond the August 1 deadline. Churches themselves (along with any other employer that is explicitly focused on offering a religious message, and which primarily employs those who believe in that message) are exempt from the requirement.

    Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


    Obama must be either insane, taking on a voting block that makes up some 28% of the electorate, or he is just conceeded enough to think that he can dictate to the Church.

    What say you?


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama must be either insane, taking on a voting block that makes up some 28% of the electorate, or he is just conceeded enough to think that he can dictate to the Church.

    What say you?


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    This is only for the profit companies that are partnered or owned by churches. If the church doesn't like it, get out of the public business and go back to being non-profit.

    It's real simple, nobody is forcing them to be a profit company. When you go from non-profit to profit, the rules change on how you can deal and discriminate against the public.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This is only for the profit companies that are partnered or owned by churches. If the church doesn't like it, get out of the public business and go back to being non-profit.

    It's real simple, nobody is forcing them to be a profit company. When you go from non-profit to profit, the rules change on how you can deal and discriminate against the public.

    Um, I don't think I have heard that part of it...Another report says...

    New rules, introduced under Mr Obama's overhaul of the US healthcare system, mean that religious charities, universities and other groups must now provide contraception in staff insurance packages.

    Roman Catholic leaders criticise Barack Obama over healthcare - Telegraph

    Maybe you could provide where you are getting your information from?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama must be either insane, taking on a voting block that makes up some 28% of the electorate, or he is just conceeded enough to think that he can dictate to the Church.

    What say you?


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    I respect two things primarily about Obama, 1: he doesn't pander to the stupid Israel-first lobby and 2: he doesn't pander to archaic bronze age fairy tales when setting public policy. Perhaps if the Catholic Church didn't cover up and protect pedophilic Priests for decades I'd care a little bit more about their "conscience." It's highly absurd that they believe condoms are immoral yet the Bishops who aided in the protection of pedophilia are still in positions of power and influence.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Um, I don't think I have heard that part of it...Another report says...




    Maybe you could provide where you are getting your information from?

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    I'll try to find a better source, but for now :

    Christian Health Share Ministries' Exempt from ObamaCare - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

    A paragraph on page 107 of the legislation reads,"...Exemptions from Individual Responsibility Requirements -- (A) In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual's status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry..." Per Alliance of Health Care Sharing Ministries, the definition of health care sharing ministry (HCSM) is ," A biblically based method of meeting needs by a health care cost sharing arrangement among individuals of similar and sincerely held beliefs." HCSM's are not insurance companies; they are non-profit religious organizations that facilitate the sharing of medical bills between its members

    Basically what I'm getting is "non-profit" should not have to follow the healthcare law and therefore shouldn't have to follow the condom/birth control part of it either. However, hospitals and other "profit" organizations owned by the church will have to abide by the Healthcare law.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    This is an excellent illustration of where the federal government tends to undermine freedom. It also proves, in my view, that the true motive of those in power who support more welfare state programs has nothing to do with alleviating the plight of the poor, and everything to do with power. The Catholic Church has a rich history of providing many programs to aid the poor in this country, and it seems completely unnecessary to alienate this group over such an issue.

    The issue is not whether or not contraceptives are good. The issue is the imposition of an arbitrary standard upon a group that simply finds compliance immoral. Whether or not they are correct is beside the point, because in a free society they have every right to hold those beliefs. Furthermore, those charities etc that the Catholic Church operates fit perfectly into the welfare state ideal, except the fact that they aren't done by the state. In other words, leftist leaders don't reap elective benefits from the Catholic Church helping the poor, so they have found a way to incentivize them to stop.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by neocon1225 View Post
    I respect two things primarily about Obama, 1: he doesn't pander to the stupid Israel-first lobby and 2: he doesn't pander to archaic bronze age fairy tales when setting public policy. Perhaps if the Catholic Church didn't cover up and protect pedophilic Priests for decades I'd care a little bit more about their "conscience." It's highly absurd that they believe condoms are immoral yet the Bishops who aided in the protection of pedophilia are still in positions of power and influence.
    Attacking certain members of the Catholic Church is entirely beside the point. Even though you may find their views "archaic," that still does not give the federal government the right to impose standards on them that they find immoral. I personally find nothing wrong with contraception, but I am not about to force Catholics to distribute it when providing services if they find it offensive. Your comment lacks something vital to a free society: respect.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    Basically what I'm getting is "non-profit" should not have to follow the healthcare law and therefore shouldn't have to follow the condom/birth control part of it either. However, hospitals and other "profit" organizations owned by the church will have to abide by the Healthcare law.[/QUOTE]

    Just a question: even if that is the case, ought the government have the power to impose such standards on a hospital operated by a religious organization, even if they make profit?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    He's not fighting an electorate that comprises 28% of the population. You shouldn't assume that 100% of Catholics are dumb enough to be against birth control. Most of them know it's a good thing. I dated two Catholic girls before my wife, both were on birth control. My wife is catholic, she's on birth control. She has 5 female Catholic cousins, above the age of 15, all on birth control, though two of them say it is more of a female thing rather than for actual birth control purposes. All of their parents know and are fine with them being on it.

    Obama didn't ask them to do something that all of them find objectionable. Only a few idiots find it objectionable to use birth control.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch...ontrol-mandate
    The PPP survey found that 56 percent of voters — and 53 percent of Catholic voters — support the administration’s birth-control mandate. By roughly the same margins, voters and Catholic voters agreed specifically that women employed by Catholic universities and hospitals “should have the same rights to contraceptive coverage as other women.”
    The new survey, conducted by Public Policy Polling, suggests that Romney doesn’t stand to gain much ground by attacking the controversial mandate. Only 23 percent of those polled said they’re more likely to vote for Romney because of his pledge to roll back the requirement, while 40 percent said they’re less likely to support him.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Just a question: even if that is the case, ought the government have the power to impose such standards on a hospital operated by a religious organization, even if they make profit?

    Short answer? Yes. Once you join the "for profit" world, things change for everybody not just the church. Charities in general (non-religious) that operate in the "for-profit" world have to follow the same set of guidelines set forth.

    Again, if the church doesn't like it, then stay out of the "for profit" world. The problem is the church wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make money but they don't want to play by the same rules as everyone else. Sorry, but I feel no sympathy for that.

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