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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is simply untrue. period.


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    It is forcing the corporation to pay for it. Not the church. If the church would go to a non-profit status, it wouldn't force them to do anything.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really, which part? and if you think catholics overwhelmingly supprt this, you're wrong.

    Catholics support White House contraception mandate - The Washington Post

    The part I bolded, and I could care less what a paper that has proven themselves a mouthpiece for the administration has to say.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The part I bolded, and I could care less what a paper that has proven themselves a mouthpiece for the administration has to say.


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    They are MOUTHPIECES now.. NOT devout Catholics who choose to practice birth control?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    It is forcing the corporation to pay for it. Not the church. If the church would go to a non-profit status, it wouldn't force them to do anything.
    I don't believe you are correct in that, I never say anything explicitly saying that only profit centers in the name of the Church were included. Like I said the way it is being reported, and the way I am hearing this, is that if you are employed by the Church, and have your health insurance through the church like other employers the church must provide these contraceptions up to and including sterilization, and abortion svcs. This is against Church doctrine, and you have the Obama administration now telling the church what it can, or can not do, and in the case of the Catholic Army Chaplins, censoring their sermons.

    Yet, if it were the Church trying to tell Obama what to do, you all would have a cow.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    silly. i said catholics priests molest children, which is true. i did not say all, so get off it. and no, if you look at the links i provided, you'll find that multiple molestations were accounted for. i am not discriminating, either, so get the **** off that too. this isn't abut catholic priests, and i'm sorry i sued them in my initial repsonse. simply put, the letter that was read to parishioners was misleading, and the bishop knew that.
    I agree with you that it was intentionally misleading.

    No your other post did not specifically say "all" but it didn't say "some" either. Your wording implied all far more than it implied some. Your hatred for catholics is glaring. Tolerance is the key here. Or do you believe that tolerance does not apply to catholics?

    I suppose I'll drop this so not to derail the thread any more than I already have. I just get bothered when people hate on a group of people for stereo types and act like its ok
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    They are MOUTHPIECES now.. NOT devout Catholics who choose to practice birth control?
    The Washington Post? ABSOLUTELY!!!


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really, which part? and if you think catholics overwhelmingly supprt this, you're wrong.

    Catholics support White House contraception mandate - The Washington Post
    So government doesnt exist to protect the rights of minorities? Nice to know. Terrible logic there Liblady.

    If people have a religious objection to a government regulation, most often the government issues an exemption to allow works that benefit the public good to continue without them sacrificing their beliefs. This regulation by the administration is both very narrow and an outlier position in American law. The only states which have similar conditions are New York, California and one other state.

    Im going to guess this is going to come down to a costly court fight for both sides with Obama ultimately being struck down because he is anot accepting a reasonable demand on the part of the church to offer relief for religious belief by offering a release valve to allow patients to go elsewhere for those specific services. But, who knows what SCOTUS is going to do nowadays. Kelo stood up after all.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't believe you are correct in that, I never say anything explicitly saying that only profit centers in the name of the Church were included. Like I said the way it is being reported, and the way I am hearing this, is that if you are employed by the Church, and have your health insurance through the church like other employers the church must provide these contraceptions up to and including sterilization, and abortion svcs. This is against Church doctrine, and you have the Obama administration now telling the church what it can, or can not do, and in the case of the Catholic Army Chaplins, censoring their sermons.

    Yet, if it were the Church trying to tell Obama what to do, you all would have a cow.

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    I'll just comment and say that if it is how you are saying it is, I would disagree with that and support getting that taken out.

    However, if it is like how I am explaining it, I have no problem with for profit companies having to provide this.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    and federal funds should never go to abortions considering how divisive of an issue it is. If half the country strongly opposes something, then we should not make it part of the national budget. This is exactly why federalism is a much better way to deal with these things.
    No federal funding is going towards abortion. This is birth control, not abortion.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't believe you are correct in that, I never say anything explicitly saying that only profit centers in the name of the Church were included. Like I said the way it is being reported, and the way I am hearing this, is that if you are employed by the Church, and have your health insurance through the church like other employers the church must provide these contraceptions up to and including sterilization, and abortion svcs. This is against Church doctrine, and you have the Obama administration now telling the church what it can, or can not do, and in the case of the Catholic Army Chaplins, censoring their sermons.

    Yet, if it were the Church trying to tell Obama what to do, you all would have a cow.

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    Where have you read that this includes abortion? I haven't heard anything like that.

    Also, the church only needs to have a healthcare plan that covers birth control, they don't have to actually go out and get the birth control and hand it out to employees.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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