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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    All for profit businesses and organizations should be held to the same standard regardless of religious affiliation. I don't believe that health insurance should cover anything regarding birth control or sex in general (things for sex not things as a result of sex like pregnancy, or std's). But since health insurance does, these church organizations should be held to the same standard.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I have to wonder what kind of “courage” it involves to be a member of a religion, to consider one's self a practicing member in good standing of that religion, and yet to have so little regard for the moral standards for which that religion stands.

    That doesn't sound very much like anything that I would call “courage”.
    because too many catholics are "cafeteria" catholics. trust me, i know. they comply with the tenets when it suits them. to be outraged over this is nutty. no on is forcing anyone to have an abortion, or use birth control. and no one is forcing the church to pay for those services, either.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    I think that's a fairly reasonable point of view. I guess I simply believe that the "for profit" world should not require such a difference. Why shouldn't they be able to make a profit and still be religiously oriented? I question the entire premise I guess, but if that's the law, then you're right, the best thing for them to do would be to go non-profit, assuming there is no alternative.

    And your point is valid. I personally wouldn't choose this path of making insurances have the option to do this, but I can see why others do.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'll try to find a better source, but for now :

    Christian Health Share Ministries' Exempt from ObamaCare - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com




    Basically what I'm getting is "non-profit" should not have to follow the healthcare law and therefore shouldn't have to follow the condom/birth control part of it either. However, hospitals and other "profit" organizations owned by the church will have to abide by the Healthcare law.


    The way I read that is that if the person is a Catholic, or working for the Church. Now from what I understand, is that Catholic hospitals, Catholic charities, and other groups affiliated with the Catholic Church are being told that they must comply or face the force of government.

    Now, tell me, in what world do liberals get to scream bloddy murder anytime they even connect 7 degrees of seperation in walling off Church and State, yet, when Obama wants to whack the Catholic Church it is perfectly fine?


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Isn't there something about electoral politics and tax-exempt status?

    I understand they're upset, but they've basically been telling parishoners for the last few years "Vote Republican, or you're going to Hell."


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    All for profit businesses and organizations should be held to the same standard regardless of religious affiliation. I don't believe that health insurance should cover anything regarding birth control or sex in general (things for sex not things as a result of sex like pregnancy, or std's). But since health insurance does, these church organizations should be held to the same standard.
    Ah yes.. punish them for their sins.. like over eating or under exercising or working too hard.........

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    because too many catholics are "cafeteria" catholics. trust me, i know. they comply with the tenets when it suits them. to be outraged over this is nutty. no on is forcing anyone to have an abortion, or use birth control. and no one is forcing the church to pay for those services, either.

    This is simply untrue. period.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I'm sorry but yes you did.



    That is your quote above is it not? Furthermore there are and have been quite a few priests. I just read through that report and that information is very faulty. First off it is taking into consideration the number of accusations. There is no denying that at least some of those accusations are false. Secondly it is assuming that every person who came forward accused a different priest. Saying there are 10,000 priests, and 1,000 accusations does not mean that 10% of them are molesting. (using simple numbers to prove my point). Which is what the article does. Many of those kids could have accused the same priests. And the article is also projecting or attempting to project the number of people who havent come forward which is far from accurate. I'm sorry but that isnt holding up to anyone except those who want to believe it.
    silly. i said catholics priests molest children, which is true. i did not say all, so get off it. and no, if you look at the links i provided, you'll find that multiple molestations were accounted for. i am not discriminating, either, so get the **** off that too. this isn't abut catholic priests, and i'm sorry i sued them in my initial repsonse. simply put, the letter that was read to parishioners was misleading, and the bishop knew that.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is simply untrue. period.


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    really, which part? and if you think catholics overwhelmingly supprt this, you're wrong.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...1wQ_story.html
    Last edited by liblady; 02-07-12 at 05:35 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The way I read that is that if the person is a Catholic, or working for the Church. Now from what I understand, is that Catholic hospitals, Catholic charities, and other groups affiliated with the Catholic Church are being told that they must comply or face the force of government.

    Now, tell me, in what world do liberals get to scream bloddy murder anytime they even connect 7 degrees of seperation in walling off Church and State, yet, when Obama wants to whack the Catholic Church it is perfectly fine?


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    Again, that's not how I read it and it wouldn't make sense the way you said it. The way I read it is businesses ran "for profit" have to abide by this new law whereas "non-profit" doesn't.

    Please drop the whole attitude of liberals whacking the Catholic church because their not. If it's non-profit, they are covered and excluded.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 02-07-12 at 05:36 PM.

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