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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Not all employees are Catholic and NOBODY is forced to take the morning after pill or use contraception.
    Perhaps you should read the article closely. It simply states that:

    [QUOTE]Sebelius has specified that the list will contain all forms of birth control approved by the Food and Drug Administration, including methods that are controversial — such as the emergency contraceptives Plan B and Ella, commonly referred to as “morning-after pills,” as well as sterilization./QUOTE]

    Of course they aren't [I]forcing[I] anyone to take these things, but they are being [I]forced[I] to provide them upon request. Yes, not all employees are Catholic. That does nothing to diminish the fact that the institution is Catholic, and therefore has a set of beliefs that are CATHOLIC. Just let these people do as they please, pursuant to their religious beliefs... its in the constitution afterall...

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I know tons of catholics who do as well. Thats not what I have a problem with. A small % of catholics molest people. I can guarentee you that their have been muslims who have done it too. Or christians or jews. Blacks, whites, asians, straight guys, gay guys, women men, old and young. You name it. There are people of ever race, religion, sex, creed ect that have all done horrible things. It does not mean they are all like that. that is profiling. It is wrong.
    and again, i never stated that all priests molest children. and i don't believe it's such a small %. one source puts it at 4.3%.

    Catholic Priest Abuse Scandal Statistics from the Executive Summary by John Jay College of Criminal Justice



    Vatican investigated 4,000 cases of child sex abuse in the last 10 years, U.S. cardinal reveals | Mail Online

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    I could see how you would think that. However, I would simply point to the first amendment and the fact that they are a private religious organization. I don't think they are necessarily correct, but it doesn't matter. They have the right to be wrong. That's liberty.
    Yes, but in the "for profit" world and different rules apply in that world compared to the "non-profit" world. If it is such a terrible issue for them, they have the CHOICE to return back to the non-profit world.

    Again, they can't have their cake and eat it too. Compromises will have to be made on their part to continue to operate in both worlds.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    I'm sorry but yes you did.

    catholic priests also molest children. why should ANYONE listen to them? self righteous assholes.
    That is your quote above is it not? Furthermore there are and have been quite a few priests. I just read through that report and that information is very faulty. First off it is taking into consideration the number of accusations. There is no denying that at least some of those accusations are false. Secondly it is assuming that every person who came forward accused a different priest. Saying there are 10,000 priests, and 1,000 accusations does not mean that 10% of them are molesting. (using simple numbers to prove my point). Which is what the article does. Many of those kids could have accused the same priests. And the article is also projecting or attempting to project the number of people who havent come forward which is far from accurate. I'm sorry but that isnt holding up to anyone except those who want to believe it.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    [QUOTE=bennymac5151;1060181472]Perhaps you should read the article closely. It simply states that:

    Sebelius has specified that the list will contain all forms of birth control approved by the Food and Drug Administration, including methods that are controversial — such as the emergency contraceptives Plan B and Ella, commonly referred to as “morning-after pills,” as well as sterilization./QUOTE]

    Of course they aren't [I]forcing[I] anyone to take these things, but they are being [I]forced[I] to provide them upon request. Yes, not all employees are Catholic. That does nothing to diminish the fact that the institution is Catholic, and therefore has a set of beliefs that are CATHOLIC. Just let these people do as they please, pursuant to their religious beliefs... its in the constitution afterall...
    The hospital is a corporation and subject to the same laws and taxes as other corporations.

    Catholics can still do as they please....

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Of course they aren't [I]forcing[I] anyone to take these things, but they are being [I]forced[I] to provide them upon request. Yes, not all employees are Catholic. That does nothing to diminish the fact that the institution is Catholic, and therefore has a set of beliefs that are CATHOLIC. Just let these people do as they please, pursuant to their religious beliefs... its in the constitution afterall...
    Nobody is FORCING them to run a "for-profit" hospital. Therefore they do have a choice. They can either abide by the new rules or they can go back to their "non-profit" status and be free to run things how they want to. Liberty is about choices and they have that choice.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Short answer? Yes. Once you join the "for profit" world, things change for everybody not just the church. Charities in general (non-religious) that operate in the "for-profit" world have to follow the same set of guidelines set forth.

    Again, if the church doesn't like it, then stay out of the "for profit" world. The problem is the church wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make money but they don't want to play by the same rules as everyone else. Sorry, but I feel no sympathy for that.
    Precisely. The CC wants it both ways and they're not being catered to and now they're throwing a hissy fit.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, but in the "for profit" world and different rules apply in that world compared to the "non-profit" world. If it is such a terrible issue for them, they have the CHOICE to return back to the non-profit world.

    Again, they can't have their cake and eat it too. Compromises will have to be made on their part to continue to operate in both worlds.
    I think that's a fairly reasonable point of view. I guess I simply believe that the "for profit" world should not require such a difference. Why shouldn't they be able to make a profit and still be religiously oriented? I question the entire premise I guess, but if that's the law, then you're right, the best thing for them to do would be to go non-profit, assuming there is no alternative.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I'm sorry but yes you did.



    That is your quote above is it not? Furthermore there are and have been quite a few priests. I just read through that report and that information is very faulty. First off it is taking into consideration the number of accusations. There is no denying that at least some of those accusations are false. Secondly it is assuming that every person who came forward accused a different priest. Saying there are 10,000 priests, and 1,000 accusations does not mean that 10% of them are molesting. (using simple numbers to prove my point). Which is what the article does. Many of those kids could have accused the same priests. And the article is also projecting or attempting to project the number of people who havent come forward which is far from accurate. I'm sorry but that isnt holding up to anyone except those who want to believe it.


    There is a very large number of catholic priests, and catholics overall who are great people. You are discriminating for no reason. Learn some tolerance and stop justifying your hatred of an entire group of people.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by neocon1225 View Post
    I respect two things primarily about Obama, 1: he doesn't pander to the stupid Israel-first lobby and 2: he doesn't pander to archaic bronze age fairy tales when setting public policy. Perhaps if the Catholic Church didn't cover up and protect pedophilic Priests for decades I'd care a little bit more about their "conscience." It's highly absurd that they believe condoms are immoral yet the Bishops who aided in the protection of pedophilia are still in positions of power and influence.

    This has nothing to do with the abuse issues within the church. Please take your troll elsewhere. Thank you.


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