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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    thank you sharon.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    So Sear and Walmart and any other Corporate entity could object to providing medical insurance to their employees..

    Maybe they object to maternity altogether, or emergency hospital care or pneumonia.
    personally, i think we should have universal healthcare where all employers contribute to a general fund. then this silliness would not be an issue.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thank you sharon.
    If 1/3 of the congregation had your courage, they would have stood up and walked out too.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I was with you until this last line.


    This is no better than being racists and assuming all black guys commit crimes, or that all gays have aids or anything else. I thought liberals, like your "lean" says you are, were tolerant. Because some priests have molested children you accusing every priest of it? That is pretty ****ty of you. Hating the people of a faith is no worse than people who are hating on a race, sexual preference or anything else.

    Nothing to be surprised about here.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Are you paying attention at ALL?

    This is about Catholic Hospital Corporations paying taxes just like other corporate hospital companies.

    Or were you thinking that only Catholic staff and Catholic doctors work in Catholic hospitals?

    They can do as they please as long as they don't accept federal funding.. They want it BOTH ways.
    Yes sharon, because I read the article. In fact, the article in question focuses on the insurance benefits provided by those institutions and the subsequent requirements enacted by HHS. However, the point about federal funding is a good one. I agree that if they receive federal funding then they should abide by the rules. However, I don't think the rules should be that way... especially considering that the "morning after pill" is part of this list.

    Look, my view on this is that we only get ourselves into trouble when we force certain groups to go against their moral convictions. It is not worth alienating the Catholic Church to ask this of them, and federal funds should never go to abortions considering how divisive of an issue it is. If half the country strongly opposes something, then we should not make it part of the national budget. This is exactly why federalism is a much better way to deal with these things.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I was with you until this last line.


    This is no better than being racists and assuming all black guys commit crimes, or that all gays have aids or anything else. I thought liberals, like your "lean" says you are, were tolerant. Because some priests have molested children you accusing every priest of it? That is pretty ****ty of you. Hating the people of a faith is no worse than people who are hating on a race, sexual preference or anything else.
    DON'T put words in my mouth. i did not accuse all catholic priests of molesting children.

    i don't hate people of faith, i hate hypocrites. having been a catholic until recently, i can tell you that everyone i knew used contraceptives, and my uncle was abused by priests. i am not accusing all, just shedding a little light on the people who can't set their own house order finding a reason to be outraged that their FOR PROFIT entities have to include contraception in their insurance plan. FPR PROFIT means just that, and they fall under the same rules as any other company.
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    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    If 1/3 of the congregation had your courage, they would have stood up and walked out too.
    I have to wonder what kind of “courage” it involves to be a member of a religion, to consider one's self a practicing member in good standing of that religion, and yet to have so little regard for the moral standards for which that religion stands.

    That doesn't sound very much like anything that I would call “courage”.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't hate people of faith, i hate hypocrites. having been a catholic until recently, i can tell you that everyone i knew used contraceptives, and my uncle was abused by priests. i am not accusing all, just shedding a little light on the people who can't set their own house order finding a reason to be outraged that their FOR PROFIT entities have to include contraception in their insurance plan. FPR PROFIT means just that, and they fall under the same rules as any other company.
    I know tons of catholics who do as well. Thats not what I have a problem with. A small % of catholics molest people. I can guarentee you that their have been muslims who have done it too. Or christians or jews. Blacks, whites, asians, straight guys, gay guys, women men, old and young. You name it. There are people of ever race, religion, sex, creed ect that have all done horrible things. It does not mean they are all like that. that is profiling. It is wrong.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Yes sharon, because I read the article. In fact, the article in question focuses on the insurance benefits provided by those institutions and the subsequent requirements enacted by HHS. However, the point about federal funding is a good one. I agree that if they receive federal funding then they should abide by the rules. However, I don't think the rules should be that way... especially considering that the "morning after pill" is part of this list.

    Look, my view on this is that we only get ourselves into trouble when we force certain groups to go against their moral convictions. It is not worth alienating the Catholic Church to ask this of them, and federal funds should never go to abortions considering how divisive of an issue it is. If half the country strongly opposes something, then we should not make it part of the national budget. This is exactly why federalism is a much better way to deal with these things.
    Not all employees are Catholic and NOBODY is forced to take the morning after pill or use contraception.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well, here's the thing. I could say the same about the Catholic hospitals. Why are they getting pissed over something so trivial? I mean, they are hiring non-Catholics who do not follow the religion. They have to realize that these people may live a lifestyle that is against the church. Why is it a big deal to offer it to them? The Catholics that don't want Birth Control don't have to take it.

    Works both ways
    I could see how you would think that. However, I would simply point to the first amendment and the fact that they are a private religious organization. I don't think they are necessarily correct, but it doesn't matter. They have the right to be wrong. That's liberty.

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