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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, in my opinion it is. But, the question isn't really about the Pope as an individual, or a leader. Church doctrine is what it is, but the idea you had of a ryder that the insured buys, would be one way I think could be a solution.

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    yeah, but extremists, who simply see this as part of the Holy War against Obama, will be satisfied by nothing.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, but extremists, who simply see this as part of the Holy War against Obama, will be satisfied by nothing.

    You have to wonder though, if we can come up with this, you telling me that the crack team at the WH can't?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wrong. Obama gave the Catholics what they wanted. They will no longer be required to offer free birth control.
    Instead, they will be required to pay another entity—a middleman—to offer “free” birth control. The result is the same. The catholic organizations will be required to pay money, that will be used to provide “free” birth control. A difference that makes no difference, is no difference.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    Alright, so we have established that no hospital, whether religious or not, should have the right to turn away a sick or injured person, simply based on their sexuality or religion. Glad to hear it.
    With neither confirming nor denying this, where was this "established"?


    Meanwhile, which medical services should a religious-oriented establishment not have to pay for?

    condoms, the pill, abortion, treatment of bris complications?

    and even if the money is TOTALLY fronted by the HMO, its still not enough?

    what would be enough? literally forbidding the HMO from providing such services or medication?

    where does it end?
    Already told you why it's a red herring of a comparison. This is nonsense.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so Catholics want the ability to have a healthcare plan that provides NO abortion, Plan B, or birth-control pills.

    how about if their employees are allowed to purchase an optionl rider that covers such things? would that be enough?
    If the employees pay for it themselves, why would they have problem with it?


    thought not. this is about controlling the health of their employees.
    That's just anti-Catholic libel, as have been most of your posts on the matter.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    With neither confirming nor denying this, where was this "established"? ...
    oh, so you don't agree, that a religious-oriented hospital should NOT have the right to turn away a sick Jew or gay, simply on religious grounds?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so Catholics want the ability to have a healthcare plan that provides NO abortion, Plan B, or birth-control pills.

    how about if their employees are allowed to purchase an optionl [sic] rider that covers such things? would that be enough?
    That seems entirely reasonable to me. A perfect compromise. As long as the Catholic institution is not forced to be, in any way, a party to those things that it finds are immoral, and the “optional rider” is provided by a third-party, with which the catholic institution is not compelled to have any connection or dealings.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh, so you don't agree, that a religious-oriented hospital should NOT have the right to turn away a sick Jew or gay, simply on religious grounds?
    What part of "with neither confirming nor denying" troubled you? I'm merely exposing your stolen bases, and quoted this sentence just to emphasize its construction.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That seems entirely reasonable to me. A perfect compromise. As long as the Catholic institution is not forced to be, in any way, a party to those things that it finds are immoral, and the “optional rider” is provided by a third-party, with which the catholic institution is not compelled to have any connection or dealings.
    its the exact same compromise developed for abortion and "Obamacare"

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so Catholics want the ability to have a healthcare plan that provides NO abortion, Plan B, or birth-control pills.

    how about if their employees are allowed to purchase an optionl rider that covers such things? would that be enough?

    thought not. this is about controlling the health of their employees.
    I don't think anyone would object to employees being able to purchase this additional coverage if they so chose. As a Catholic, I wouldn't oppose it. I just oppose FORCING people of Faith to pay directly for something that goes against their fundamental beliefs. I once worked for a Buddhist school and I under no circumstances would expect them to pay for me to have meat or onions/garlic at a school gathering.
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