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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you're not gonna answer the question, after having told me to answer your question first?

    how dishonest of you.
    No, I asked it first.

    And I answered it in the manner it warranted.

    I will say this, to couch it in my own terms and not those in which are convenient to you:

    No one should be forced by the government to do something which runs against their religious conscience.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, you got me to answer your question first...only to have you cut & run from answering my question to you.

    how honest of you.
    No, you provided no basic liberty, and that which you did provide, I dispensed with easily.

    And you have not shown how I was wrong in doing so.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    a Catholic institution would never turn away a gay or a Jew, seeking help?

    tell that to the Jews of Poland, 1938-1944.
    You call ME dishonest?

    You bring up something they were forced to do by the Nazis as an example to smear Catholics?

    Not only is that dishonest, it's repugnant. It's truly disgusting. Very, very low indeed. This is your version of integrity?
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Alright, so we have established that no hospital, whether religious or not, should have the right to turn away a sick or injured person, simply based on their sexuality or religion. Glad to hear it.

    Meanwhile, which medical services should a religious-oriented establishment not have to pay for?

    condoms, the pill, abortion, treatment of bris complications?

    and even if the money is TOTALLY fronted by the HMO, its still not enough?

    what would be enough? literally forbidding the HMO from providing such services or medication?

    where does it end?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I never heard of that before.. So excommunication is temporary?

    Why would a Catholic have to confess for saving a life?

    It was right there in the article of the thread you posted. Didn't you read the article first, or only the headline and thought, hey, this is good to throw out against the wall....


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you think a Catholic-run hospital should have the right to refuse treatment to a gay, or a Jew, or a Muslim, on religious grounds?
    My Mother, Rest her soul, was a Nurse at a Catholic hospital for my entire life, and I have NEVER heard of that happening.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Alright, so we have established that no hospital, whether religious or not, should have the right to turn away a sick or injured person, simply based on their sexuality or religion. Glad to hear it.

    Meanwhile, which medical services should a religious-oriented establishment not have to pay for?

    condoms, the pill, abortion, treatment of bris complications?

    and even if the money is TOTALLY fronted by the HMO, its still not enough?

    what would be enough? literally forbidding the HMO from providing such services or medication?

    where does it end?
    Giving the Church the option of having a plan that doesn't force things they find goes against their teachings.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Giving the Church the option of having a plan that doesn't force things they find goes against their teachings....
    ah, so Catholics want the ability to have a healthcare plan that provides NO abortion, Plan B, or birth-control pills.

    how about if their employees are allowed to purchase an optionl rider that covers such things? would that be enough?

    thought not. this is about controlling the health of their employees.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My Mother, Rest her soul, was a Nurse at a Catholic hospital for my entire life, and I have NEVER heard of that happening.


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    that's not what I asked you. I asked you if they should have the RIGHT, to make such a decision.

    why is this question so hard for some folks? its a simple yes or no question.

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