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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know more about Catholic doctrine than you do.
    Being that it's you saying this, I'm going to be laughing for the next 2-3 hours.


    Otherwise, spare us the personal attacks--you just look foolish and embarrass yourself.
    And for another 2-3 hours after that.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    ...Sure, toots.

    1) It's a moot point, because a Catholic hospital, consistent with its beliefs, wouldn't do so. "Love thy neighbor" is the rule, as is "love the sinner, hate the sin." If you think Catholics, as a matter of doctrine, would turn away a gay man for being gay, then it's you who have a tremendous religious bigotry, based in ignorance. (As is your "bris" example which I indulged, because not only does it show how monstrous you ignorantly think Catholics are, you also seem to think that circumcision is somehow proscribed by the Church.)

    2) It's not a comparable situation in any respect. It would be intentional neglect of someone who needs care. Not wishing to pay for someone's personal choices which conflict with church views is not in any way, shape, or form the same thing.
    you're just evading the question, and most likely your predictably pathetic answer, with lots of words.

    now, let's try this again: should a Catholic hospital have the right to refuse treatment to a gay man, or a Jew, or a Muslim, on religious grounds?


    ...and again, you're sooo not my type. But I am flattered by your sexual advances.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you're just evading the question, and most likely your predictably pathetic answer, with lots of words.

    now, let's try this again: should a Catholic hospital have the right to refuse treatment to a gay man, or a Jew, or a Muslim, on religious grounds?
    There are no religious grounds on which they would do so.

    Do you not understand that I've simply deconstructed your hypothetical as entirely irrelevant, meaningless, and ignorant? You think you're being clever, but you're not.

    The questions I've asked you, of course, stem from things you've actually said. As according to what I've said, this is a silly, silly strawman. Sorry you don't have anything better.


    ...and again, you're sooo not my type.
    What makes you think that? Are you bothered by something? Is this an anti-gay thing? Hmmm.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There are no religious grounds on which they would do so.

    Do you not understand that I've simply deconstructed your hypothetical as entirely irrelevant, meaningless, and ignorant?....
    again, you're evading the question. Let's try this a little different huh?

    should a Jewish hospital, or a Muslim hospital, or a Hindu health clinic in the USA, have the right to refuse treatment to a gay...or a Buddhist...due to their religious objections?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    again, you're evading the question. Let's try this a little different huh?

    should a Jewish hospital, or a Muslim hospital, or a Hindu health clinic in the USA, have the right to refuse treatment to a gay...or a Buddhist...due to their religious objections?
    I've already told you why any answer is irrelevant to this, so why do you persist on asking it?

    If I were to say "no," and you pounced on it with "blah blah blah blah self-righteous blather blah blah blah blah," my answer will simply be:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    2) It's not a comparable situation in any respect. It would be intentional neglect of someone who needs care. Not wishing to pay for someone's personal choices which conflict with church views is not in any way, shape, or form the same thing.
    Now, you've never provided an actual "basic liberty" being deprived, and that which you feebly offered was easily swatted away, so want to try again?
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I've already told you why any answer is irrelevant to this, so why do you persist on asking it?

    If I were to say "no," and you pounced on it with "blah blah blah blah self-righteous blather blah blah blah blah," my answer will simply be:...
    why are you refusing to answer the question?

    its a very simple question: do you believe a religious oriented hospital or clinic should have the right to refuse treatment to someone based on religious objections?

    very simple question....I know you can do it.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    ...Now, you've never provided an actual "basic liberty" being deprived, and that which you feebly offered was easily swatted away, so want to try again?
    FAIL.

    you don't get to ask me any more questions about anything, until you answer my question.

    sorry.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why are you refusing to answer the question?

    its a very simple question: do you believe a religious oriented hospital or clinic should have the right to refuse treatment to someone based on religious objections?

    very simple question....I know you can do it. I believe in you.
    Because the entire conversation has already been laid out, and because it's a strawman. I never said a thing about anyone turning away patients, ever, so I'm not obligated to dance with you on this. This whole HHS ruckus has nothing to do with that and it isn't comparable. And every point which you could make in response to whatever I say has already been answered.

    It's a just a distraction from your own inability to back up what you've actually said, anyway, which I suppose is why you've latched onto it.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    FAIL.
    Fail? How did I fail? You simply ignored my response. THAT'S what I would call a "fail."

    you don't get to ask me any more questions about anything, until you answer my question.
    Or you'll tell your mommy?
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Fail? How did I fail? You simply ignored my response.

    Or you'll tell your mommy?
    so you're not gonna answer the question, after having told me to answer your question first?

    how dishonest of you.

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