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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't get it. The birth-control pill does NOT kill a fertilized egg. No "soul" is being snuffed.

    so what's the big deal?
    Your inability to grasp Catholic doctrine is entirely beside the point. That's why religious freedom is protected in the first place.

    Or is religious freedom only for religious beliefs you find yourself in accord with? Starting to look that way.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

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    If the people vote for it, then that is the way of the world....
    good thing we are not a direct democracy.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your inability to grasp Catholic doctrine is entirely beside the point. That's why religious freedom is protected in the first place.

    Or is religious freedom only for religious beliefs you find yourself in accord with? Starting to look that way.
    how is that some folks think "religious freedom" means "the right to step on the rights of others"?

    should you have the right, on religous grounds, to discriminate against gays?

    against blacks?

    against Muslims & Jews?

    "sorry buddy, there's no room in the inn for Jews and blacks".

    ??????

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Why does the church have to do this when there is already free contraception out there for people....?

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/abo...tion-23859.htm


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so if a Christian works for a Jewish hospital, the hospital should be allowed to not pay healthcare for someone who eats pork?

    or someone who kneels before a statue of a holy man?

    you really want to take this country back to a time when religious discrimination was perfectly legal, huh?
    Saying the same thing again doesn't answer the question. Make a compelling argument for forcing them to do it. You're the one who has to justify limiting freedom. Maintaining freedom is, as I said, the default mode.

    So do it. I suspect you can't.

    (And I have no idea what delusion you're under about "religious discrimination" and "perfectly legal," so I won't even bother.)
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how is that some folks think "religious freedom" means "the right to step on the rights of others"?
    When you find a right being "stepped on" here, get back to me.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how is that some folks think "religious freedom" means "the right to step on the rights of others"?
    You don't have a 'right' to a job with a Catholic hospital, any more than you have any 'right' to have someone else pay for your irresponsible behavior.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    ...Make a compelling argument for forcing them to do it. You're the one who has to justify limiting freedom....
    you want a compelling argument?

    religious doctrine should not be used as an excuse to deprive people of their basic liberties.


    many of us came to this country SEEKING religious freedom, not the freedom to discriminate based on religious beliefs.
    Last edited by Thunder; 02-12-12 at 04:02 PM.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your inability to grasp Catholic doctrine is entirely beside the point.
    You say 'grasp the doctrine' as if it were based on logic or reason.

    The bible is a collection of stories, letters, poems--a history of early western civ mythology.

    The catechism of the Catholic church is their rule book, if you will, outlining their dogma, traditions, and mean by which they keep their peeps in line.

    What does that have to do with modern medicine, and the basic freedoms of adults?

    Answer me this: How can anyone argue that celibate men should be setting rules for women on sexuality???




    That's why religious freedom is protected in the first place.
    Freedom being he operative word. You can be a Catholic and still use rubbers.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you want a compelling argument?

    religious doctrine should not be used as an excuse to deprive people of their basic liberties.
    No one's deprived of any "basic liberty," period. Not in anything concerning this HHS mandate, and not in your scenario concerning complications from a bris.

    No one.
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