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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Attacking certain members of the Catholic Church is entirely beside the point. Even though you may find their views "archaic," that still does not give the federal government the right to impose standards on them that they find immoral. I personally find nothing wrong with contraception, but I am not about to force Catholics to distribute it when providing services if they find it offensive. Your comment lacks something vital to a free society: respect.
    Are you paying attention at ALL?

    This is about Catholic Hospital Corporations paying taxes just like other corporate hospital companies.

    Or were you thinking that only Catholic staff and Catholic doctors work in Catholic hospitals?

    They can do as they please as long as they don't accept federal funding.. They want it BOTH ways.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Obama must be either insane, taking on a voting block that makes up some 28% of the electorate, or he is just conceeded enough to think that he can dictate to the Church.

    What say you?


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    had i been sitting in the pew, i would have got up and walked out. first of all, no one is forcing catholics to use contraception, or to get an abortion. ridiculous that the letter says a blow has been dealt to all catholics. hyperbole at it's worst.

    secondly, the actual church is not required to comply, only for profit entities.

    this is precisely why i HAD to leave the church. catholics use bc all the time. catholic priests also molest children. why should ANYONE listen to them? self righteous assholes.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    had i been sitting in the pew, i would have got up and walked out. first of all, no one is forcing catholics to use contraception, or to get an abortion. ridiculous that the letter says a blow has been dealt to all catholics. hyperbole at it's worst.

    secondly, the actual church is not required to comply, only for profit entities.

    this is precisely why i HAD to leave the church. catholics use bc all the time. catholic priests also molest children. why should ANYONE listen to them? self righteous assholes.
    Excellent post!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Here is what I believe:

    1) Religious organizations are not above the law. They must abide by the law too.

    2) However, I do not believe that ANY employer, religious or not, should be forced to provide contraception, or even medical care. If the employee does not like it, the employee can always look elsewhere for employment.

    I just killed 2 birds with one stone.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Short answer? Yes. Once you join the "for profit" world, things change for everybody not just the church. Charities in general (non-religious) that operate in the "for-profit" world have to follow the same set of guidelines set forth.

    Again, if the church doesn't like it, then stay out of the "for profit" world. The problem is the church wants to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make money but they don't want to play by the same rules as everyone else. Sorry, but I feel no sympathy for that.
    Fair enough. Of course, I'd have to disagree . I think the government ought not involve itself in these kinds of impositions of private entities. Even if a secular hospital had a policy of not doing something on moral grounds, I would support that group's right to do that as opposed to letting the feds dictate what everyone MUST provide. I think we get into trouble when either side wants to impose uniform standards on things that can bring divisiveness to a situation that simply doesn't require it. Catholic hospitals do a lot of good... why piss them off over something so trivial?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Fair enough. Of course, I'd have to disagree . I think the government ought not involve itself in these kinds of impositions of private entities. Even if a secular hospital had a policy of not doing something on moral grounds, I would support that group's right to do that as opposed to letting the feds dictate what everyone MUST provide. I think we get into trouble when either side wants to impose uniform standards on things that can bring divisiveness to a situation that simply doesn't require it. Catholic hospitals do a lot of good... why piss them off over something so trivial?
    is this forcing catholic hospitals to provide services that they object to?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac5151 View Post
    Catholic hospitals do a lot of good... why piss them off over something so trivial?
    Well, here's the thing. I could say the same about the Catholic hospitals. Why are they getting pissed over something so trivial? I mean, they are hiring non-Catholics who do not follow the religion. They have to realize that these people may live a lifestyle that is against the church. Why is it a big deal to offer it to them? The Catholics that don't want Birth Control don't have to take it.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    had i been sitting in the pew, i would have got up and walked out. first of all, no one is forcing catholics to use contraception, or to get an abortion. ridiculous that the letter says a blow has been dealt to all catholics. hyperbole at it's worst.

    secondly, the actual church is not required to comply, only for profit entities.

    this is precisely why i HAD to leave the church. catholics use bc all the time. catholic priests also molest children. why should ANYONE listen to them? self righteous assholes.
    I was with you until this last line.
    catholic priests also molest children. why should ANYONE listen to them? self righteous assholes.
    This is no better than being racists and assuming all black guys commit crimes, or that all gays have aids or anything else. I thought liberals, like your "lean" says you are, were tolerant. Because some priests have molested children you accusing every priest of it? That is pretty ****ty of you. Hating the people of a faith is no worse than people who are hating on a race, sexual preference or anything else.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is what I believe:

    1) Religious organizations are not above the law. They must abide by the law too.

    2) However, I do not believe that ANY employer, religious or not, should be forced to provide contraception, or even medical care. If the employee does not like it, the employee can always look elsewhere for employment.

    I just killed 2 birds with one stone.
    i would like for it to work that way as well, but right now, it does not. i don't think insurance should cover viagra but not bc. trite, but true.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is what I believe:

    1) Religious organizations are not above the law. They must abide by the law too.

    2) However, I do not believe that ANY employer, religious or not, should be forced to provide contraception, or even medical care. If the employee does not like it, the employee can always look elsewhere for employment.

    I just killed 2 birds with one stone.
    So Sear and Walmart and any other Corporate entity could object to providing medical insurance to their employees..

    Maybe they object to maternity altogether, or emergency hospital care or pneumonia.

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