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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I know of none. Do you?

    Basically I am saying, if the church paricipates by in a profit center activity, then it needs to abide by the same rules as other profit centers in the public.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Basically I am saying, if the church paricipates by in a profit center activity, then it needs to abide by the same rules as other profit centers in the public.
    I know what you are saying. I'm asking if you know whether this is ever the case? And if not, why even bring it up?

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I know what you are saying. I'm asking if you know whether this is ever the case? And if not, why even bring it up?
    I belive from some of the articles I have seen, here and on the net, is that the church has operations outside of its non-profit entities. I will see if I can find a list.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I know what you are saying. I'm asking if you know whether this is ever the case? And if not, why even bring it up?
    I did a little more research. It seems to be a catch 22. Any organization needs insurance. Espcially colleges and hospitals. These colleges and hospitals are non-profit and under the church umbrella. By law, the health insurance company has to provide birth control coverage because of the new health care system. Because the hospital/college has to have insurance, they are now because of catch 22, required to have free birth control offered.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I did a little more research. It seems to be a catch 22. Any organization needs insurance. Espcially colleges and hospitals. These colleges and hospitals are non-profit and under the church umbrella. By law, the health insurance company has to provide birth control coverage because of the new health care system. Because the hospital/college has to have insurance, they are now because of catch 22, required to have free birth control offered.

    Exactly! Which is why the conference of Bishops reject this so called compromise. This was what liberals like Obama always do, and that is shell game the terminology rather than change the outcome.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Exactly! Which is why the conference of Bishops reject this so called compromise. This was what liberals like Obama always do, and that is shell game the terminology rather than change the outcome.


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    Wrong. Obama gave the Catholics what they wanted. They will no longer be required to offer free birth control. They oppose the compromise because they don't think that ANYONE should offer birth control, free or otherwise.

    I would suggest that Catholic Church be given no federal aid whatsoever until such time it the acknowledges and apologizes for the holocaust of millions of AIDS and starvation-related deaths it is responsible for as a result of prohibiting contraception in AIDs and famine-plagued third world countries.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wrong. Obama gave the Catholics what they wanted. They will no longer be required to offer free birth control. They oppose the compromise because they don't think that ANYONE should offer birth control, free or otherwise.

    I would suggest that Catholic Church be given no federal aid whatsoever until such time it the acknowledges and apologizes for the holocaust of millions of AIDS and starvation-related deaths it is responsible for as a result of prohibiting contraception in AIDs and famine-plagued third world countries.
    The insurance company that the hospital or university will still have to carry birth control. Which means Sue can go down the street and get Plan B if she wants. That is not what the church wants to provide because it goes against their beliefs.
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wrong. Obama gave the Catholics what they wanted. They will no longer be required to offer free birth control.
    How laughable...Is the employer required to offer HC for it's employees? As a result they have to pay for that coverage. The argument was NEVER that the Church had to directly PAY for these things. Only the simplistic believed this. The argument was in providing something that covered this against the doctrine of the religion, and the administration dictating that they must provide that coverage. Instead, they only thing they did is rather than leave it so that the Church could offer a plan that excludes this, he just said that ALL insurance must offer it for free, thus NOT compromising, but rather boxing in....It is a cynical, snotty little move, and another lie on his part.

    I would suggest that Catholic Church be given no federal aid whatsoever until such time it the acknowledges and apologizes for the holocaust of millions of AIDS and starvation-related deaths it is responsible for as a result of prohibiting contraception in AIDs and famine-plagued third world countries.

    I at that I would suggest that the Catholic Church close every hospital, every soup kitchen, claw back every social assistance program, and pull completely away from aiding a populace that the government now depends on to suplement their social network...You little heavy handed dictators have NOT A CLUE how much the Church helps out our poor.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How laughable...Is the employer required to offer HC for it's employees? As a result they have to pay for that coverage. The argument was NEVER that the Church had to directly PAY for these things. Only the simplistic believed this. The argument was in providing something that covered this against the doctrine of the religion, and the administration dictating that they must provide that coverage. Instead, they only thing they did is rather than leave it so that the Church could offer a plan that excludes this, he just said that ALL insurance must offer it for free, thus NOT compromising, but rather boxing in....It is a cynical, snotty little move, and another lie on his part.

    I at that I would suggest that the Catholic Church close every hospital, every soup kitchen, claw back every social assistance program, and pull completely away from aiding a populace that the government now depends on to suplement their social network...You little heavy handed dictators have NOT A CLUE how much the Church helps out our poor.


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    Great idea and one that will greatly accelerate the ongoing exodus of Catholics from the church. The Bishops are so out of touch with their flock as it is that the heartless ending of whatever good they still do would complete the total alienation of church members once and for all. Religion and politics don't mix, we are have a secular Govt.

    -There is a major disconnect between the leadership of the Catholic Church and rank and file Catholic voters on this issue. We did an over sample of almost 400 Catholics and found that they support the benefit overall, 53-44, and oppose an exception for Catholic hospitals and universities, 53-45. The Bishops really are not speaking for Catholics as a whole on this issue.

    -Republican agitating on this issue could cause themselves trouble at the polls this year. 40% of voters say Mitt Romney's stance makes them less likely to vote for him, while only 23% consider it a positive. With the Catholic oversample it's 46% less likely and 28% more likely. And Congressional Republicans are imperiling themselves as well. 58% of voters oppose them trying to take the benefit away, while only 33% are supportive.

    Republicans will win this fall if they can convince voters that the economy stinks and it's Barack Obama's fault and putting them in power will fix the problem. If they want to make it about social issues and making it easy and affordable for women to access birth control, Democrats win.
    Our polling on the birth control issue - Public Policy Polling
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Great idea and one that will greatly accelerate the ongoing exodus of Catholics from the church. The Bishops are so out of touch with their flock as it is that the heartless ending of whatever good they still do would complete the total alienation of church members once and for all. Religion and politics don't mix, we are have a secular Govt.


    Our polling on the birth control issue - Public Policy Polling
    I agree that the clergy is out of touch... What a shame........

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