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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanjames1791 View Post
    There were some mistakes made no doubt, as a catholic i will be the first to admit but I think you are being a little to general. The church is horribly judgmental (ive never heard of them really making any judgements... I never understand where people get that.) and not totally intollerant of everyone else.

    I don't know what is in Aunties head, but it seems as though the "judgemental" portion of his post is more a sign of projection, than fact.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Those damn facts!!

    I understand. They can be overwhelming and counterproductive...
    Understand? No you don't, and that is that.


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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Those damn facts!!

    I understand. They can be overwhelming and counterproductive...
    You haven't presented any.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Understand? No you don't, and that is that.


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    I hate that. When you start and thread, ask for thoughts and someone cuts your premise to pieces, be prepared to defend it or don't start threads.

    1) There is no rule currently being enforced.

    2) This is all about anti-Obama, so Fox News will feature the story every hour on the hour. They are very predictable.

    3) Catholics use contraceptives regardless of what the celibate priests and bishops say.

    4) Just because a business flies under the banner of the church does not give it unlimited protection. They hire people of all faiths and atheists. Who is forcing the Catholic to actually get and use the contraception? Answer: No one. Shouldn't that be an individual's choice?

    5) Rape victims have been denied morning after pill by Catholic hospitals. They made the victim feel even worse for asking for it. But Catholics wrote the book on guilt.

    Again, don't start threads if you can't stand the debate part.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I hate that. When you start and thread, ask for thoughts and someone cuts your premise to pieces, be prepared to defend it or don't start threads.

    Oh, I don't run sir, nope, not at all. But I will not be drawn into a snarky back and forth with someone that has no intention of being honest in the conversation.

    Oh. BTW, are you Catholic?

    1) There is no rule currently being enforced.
    No rule being enforced? What are you talking about? You mean within the Chruch?

    The Catholic doctrine considers the use of contraceptives a mortal sin. That members are not ex-communicated for confessing such, is ultimately between the parishioner and their priest. It is not for you, nor I to pass that judgement.

    2) This is all about anti-Obama, so Fox News will feature the story every hour on the hour. They are very predictable.
    It is not just FOX. Turn on your TV, and tune to MSNBC. I am watching it right now, and Matthews, and Schultz have both led with the issue.

    3) Catholics use contraceptives regardless of what the celibate priests and bishops say.
    Each person has an individual walk with God, and the Church. I will not be my brothers judge. Why do you feel you should be?

    4) Just because a business flies under the banner of the church does not give it unlimited protection. They hire people of all faiths and atheists. Who is forcing the Catholic to actually get and use the contraception? Answer: No one. Shouldn't that be an individual's choice?
    I think you are off base here. You seem to want to catagorize Catholic hospitals, charities, and schools as some sort of scheme using the Church to skirt certain law, and tax. This couldn't be further from the truth. These institutions are a part of the Church, and governed as such. They do much charitable good for the community, and country as a whole.

    This is like you saying that if there were Muslim hospitals in this country, and HHS decided that white meat was health beneficial, and mandated availability of Pork products to be served within all Mosques, hospitals, schools, and so on etc....How do you think that would be viewed?

    5) Rape victims have been denied morning after pill by Catholic hospitals. They made the victim feel even worse for asking for it. But Catholics wrote the book on guilt.
    Are the Catholic institutions the only place that the victim can go? And further, what blotto world is this when liberals scream at a prayer being said at a graduation, but it is fine for the government to tell a religion to cast their tennants aside, and they will dictate what that religion must offer?

    Again, don't start threads if you can't stand the debate part.
    See hazelnut, this is where reasonable people dismiss your rants in most cases as just too crazy to even engage. You have to get these digs in there to push buttons of emotion, without that you would lose every debate you actually attempt. But I will give the benefit of the doubt here and give it a try, but I won't put up with too much silliness from you sir, so stick to it.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You haven't presented any.
    Read again. Slowly this time.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Forcing insurance companies to cover all contraceptives is stupid. There are expensive life saving drugs that aren't free, why shouldn't someones contraceptives? Why is preventing pregnancy more important than preventing a heart attack/dying of AIDS/stopping asthma attacks?
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No rule being enforced? What are you talking about? You mean within the Chruch?

    The Catholic doctrine considers the use of contraceptives a mortal sin. That members are not ex-communicated for confessing such, is ultimately between the parishioner and their priest. It is not for you, nor I to pass that judgement.
    Yikes. Try to keep up. No 'rule'... the so called Obama rule.

    And this is the last time I'm going to say this, the majority of Catholic women use contraceptives. Regardless of some archaic rule book and old celibate men.



    It is not just FOX. Turn on your TV, and tune to MSNBC. I am watching it right now, and Matthews, and Schultz have both led with the issue.
    Good for you, getting more than one perspective, I aways encourage that.



    Each person has an individual walk with God, and the Church. I will not be my brothers judge. Why do you feel you should be?
    Exactly. So, for-profit hospitals and universities who hire people from all religions should provide proper health care coverage. And let everyone decide for themselves.



    I think you are off base here. You seem to want to catagorize Catholic hospitals, charities, and schools as some sort of scheme using the Church to skirt certain law, and tax. This couldn't be further from the truth. These institutions are a part of the Church, and governed as such. They do much charitable good for the community, and country as a whole.

    Please, please, please... when you don't have a clue, when you don't know what the hell you are talking about... DON'T POST. It's embarrassing.


    Since 1967, Notre Dame has been governed by a Board of Trustees, and not directly by the leadership of Holy Cross.

    And try to wrap your head around this... 9,684 -- That is the number of contraceptive sterilization procedures performed at Catholic Hospitals (2000-2003)

    Row #1: This sample represents 9,684 patient records which include the V25.2 code (admission for contraceptive sterilization by interruption of fallopian tubes or vas deferens). In these cases, the purpose for the accompanying procedures involving the fallopian tubes or vas deferens is explicitly for sterilization (in this example 66.32). The other diagnostic codes do not affect the purpose of this procedure since V25.2 is an intention to sterilize for contraceptive purposes regardless of pathology.
    These records also show the same Catholic Hospitals performing 50 abortions. (2000-2003)

    You want me to keep going or do you promise to stop making stuff up and not post until you know what you're talking about?


    The point is, Catholics don't care, Catholic Doctors don't care, this is about Obama and some hyper-partisan priests NOT MAINSTREAM CATHOLICS making a big deal to bring up ABORTIONS... whooooooooo, ahhhhhhhhh
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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    So what Hazl? People are supposed to wait for it to go into effect before they act?

    Please, please, please... when you don't have a clue, when you don't know what the hell you are talking about... DON'T POST. It's embarrassing.
    Please, please, please...when you occasionally get a clue and want to pass it on, try to do so in a way that isnt combative, inflammatory and...RUDE. Its embarassing.

    As for the rest it requires a ton of digging to validate the findings. I remain unconvinced when I see hospitals titled "Baptist" in the findings. So pardon me if Im skeptical until I can do some digging.

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    Re: Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So what Hazl? People are supposed to wait for it to go into effect before they act?



    Please, please, please...when you occasionally get a clue and want to pass it on, try to do so in a way that isnt combative, inflammatory and...RUDE. Its embarassing.

    As for the rest it requires a ton of digging to validate the findings. I remain unconvinced when I see hospitals titled "Baptist" in the findings. So pardon me if Im skeptical until I can do some digging.

    I like a man who thinks he's talking when he says nothing.

    Very entertaining.

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