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    NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

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    "Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows. "These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is created by Bloomberg's task force."

    The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably couldn't pass background checks.

    While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one, the mayor said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bloomberg_gun_control

    WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

    When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

    I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

    When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

    I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

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    Is it a jusrisdiction thing for you, or that it involves guns? Just curious.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is it a jusrisdiction thing for you, or that it involves guns? Just curious.
    I wished some of our more fervent right wingers around here would get this upset when O'Keefe releases doctored and edited videos that don't tell the truth as J-Mac is here about something that as far as I can tell, hasn't been falsely edited, didn't break any laws, etc.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is it a jusrisdiction thing for you, or that it involves guns? Just curious.

    It is both. Listen Joe, there are reasons that police as a professional courtesy inform other jurisdictions when they are present. Let me ask you, Do you think it is perfectly appropiate for another state's police to enter into say your state un announced to conduct a sting?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    I only wonder how long it will be before one of these guys who bought these guns ends up killing someone with one.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is both. Listen Joe, there are reasons that police as a professional courtesy inform other jurisdictions when they are present. Let me ask you, Do you think it is perfectly appropiate for another state's police to enter into say your state un announced to conduct a sting?

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    I don't disagree with you concerning jurisdiction, and I wonder how it will play out legally. I also wonder if AZ wasn't in on it. If they were, would that change how you look at it?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I wished some of our more fervent right wingers around here would get this upset when O'Keefe releases doctored and edited videos that don't tell the truth as J-Mac is here about something that as far as I can tell, hasn't been falsely edited, didn't break any laws, etc.
    Are you kidding me here? It broke laws....False ID for one. If they took those guns out of state then they were transporting accross state lines, after purchasing them under false pretenses....That is just off the top of my head here...Didn't break any laws....Get outta here with that....


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't disagree with you concerning jurisdiction, and I wonder how it will play out legally. I also wonder if AZ wasn't in on it. If they were, would that change how you look at it?
    No, they were not "in on it".... Here a statement from the AZ AG.

    Arizona’s attorney general Tom Horne is hurt that Bloomberg's office didn't notify local police about the probe. And he took the opportunity to do a little trash-talking about NYC:

    Local law enforcement and the Arizona Department of Public Safety were never notified that Mayor Bloomberg’s operation was being undertaken. That is standard professional courtesy and is also designed to protect the general public. Arizona law enforcement should have been made aware that people posing as criminal elements were in fact undercover officers. The fact that no such notification was made indicates this so-called sting is nothing less than a public relations stunt.

    Arizona Contemptuous of Bloomberg's Gun Show Sting: Gothamist

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Didn't Holder get into a snit about AZ enforcing federal law? More than that, he filed suit to stop it.

    And that was AZ acting in its own jurisdiction.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Didn't Holder get into a snit about AZ enforcing federal law? More than that, he filed suit to stop it.

    And that was AZ acting in its own jurisdiction.


    Absolutely. Bloomberg should clean up his own damned cess pool before attacking another.


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