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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

AdamT said:
Never claimed to be a firearms expert.
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that's a good start. I haven't seen any expertise on anything relevant to this topic. The topic is of course-what should the prosecutors of various states do with Bloomturd's little rats

I say jail them
 
TurtleDude said:
actually since you put this at issue

1) I qualified Distinguished expert on the USMS qualification course
2) I was on the team that won two US national championships
3) I was a three time all-American
4) I have had over 200 hours of intensive use of "lethal force" training by one of the top facilities in the USA and I have served as an instructor at that and an additional nationally prominent training facility

that's a short bit-it would take three pages to list everything

So what do you bring to the table?
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Never let an opportunity to blow your own imaginary horn go to waste, eh? :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a good start. I haven't seen any expertise on anything relevant to this topic. The topic is of course-what should the prosecutors of various states do with Bloomturd's little rats

I say jail them
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Yeah, well, that's a bit of a problem, given that they didn't break any laws.
 
AdamT said:
Never let an opportunity to blow your own imaginary horn go to waste, eh? :lol:
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Have you ever had to pull? You haven't demonstrated a grasp of the basics of firearms, the laws are much more complex. Face it Bloomberg committed felonies and so did those acting as agents on his behalf.
 
AdamT said:
Never let an opportunity to blow your own imaginary horn go to waste, eh? :lol:
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its funny-you extreme lefties constantly challenge anyone's credentials who know more about a specific subject than you do and then you resort to this idiocy when you get schooled.

Unfortunately, there may be people out there who are unlearned in this subject and they need to know that one side of this issue is championed by people learned in this area while the other side is basically prosecuted by people who have no clue about guns, gun laws or anything else connected to this subject
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, well, that's a bit of a problem, given that they didn't break any laws.
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really, here in Ohio a Bloomturd investigator had a fake OHIO ID he used to buy a FIREARM from someone outside of the bill goodman gun show in Sharonville Ohio.

In another case the "buyer" claimed he lived in Cincinnati when he lived outside the state

that is a violation of federal law
 
LaMidRighter said:
Have you ever had to pull? You haven't demonstrated a grasp of the basics of firearms, the laws are much more complex. Face it Bloomberg committed felonies and so did those acting as agents on his behalf.
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I've pulled many times. But that's kind of a personal question, don't you think? :D

Fortunately this topic requires absolutely zero knowledge of firearms. The topic involves the legalities of what Bloomberg did, and up until now all efforts to establish that he broke even one law have been an epic FAIL.
 
TurtleDude said:
really, here in Ohio a Bloomturd investigator had a fake OHIO ID he used to buy a FIREARM from someone outside of the bill goodman gun show in Sharonville Ohio.

In another case the "buyer" claimed he lived in Cincinnati when he lived outside the state

that is a violation of federal law
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Really, if you have factual claims you are going to have to post some proof. You are completely untrustworthy.
 
AdamT said:
Really, if you have factual claims you are going to have to post some proof. You are completely untrustworthy.
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Everything I have ever said on this issue is true and has been confirmed by other people

you just are mad that you continue to make a fool of yourself with your ignorant posts

are you saying that bloomberg hired people in Ohio to work as investigators for him-GUESS WHAT-if he gave them money to buy the guns that is a violation as well
 
TurtleDude said:
Everything I have ever said on this issue is true and has been confirmed by other people

you just are mad that you continue to make a fool of yourself with your ignorant posts

are you saying that bloomberg hired people in Ohio to work as investigators for him-GUESS WHAT-if he gave them money to buy the guns that is a violation as well
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Yadda yadda yadda. Post the proof....

Here's how it works:

[Mayors Against Illegal Guns' efforts have spurred some change. In 2008, Wal-Mart signed the voluntary 10-point code of conduct MAIG developed for gun sellers. It includes videotaping the area of a store where guns are sold, setting up a computerized gun tracing and alert system, and performing background checks on its employees.

An Ohio gun show operator identified in MAIG's 2009 sting began offering police and federal firearms agents a free booth at his shows to strengthen background checks and help dealers recognize straw buyers, according to the Dayton Daily News.

MAIG claims on its website that "four out of the seven gun shows and venues" fingered in the 2009 investigation "have changed their practices."


http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-bloomberg-reloads-push-gun-control-124037455.html
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AdamT said:
I've pulled many times. But that's kind of a personal question, don't you think? :D

Fortunately this topic requires absolutely zero knowledge of firearms. The topic involves the legalities of what Bloomberg did, and up until now all efforts to establish that he broke even one law have been an epic FAIL.
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Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.
 
The mayor, whose staff was able to purchase illegal guns on Craigslist, including an illegal Ruger P95 9 millimeter, like the one that killed Officer Figoski, had a suggestion about how to get Congress to move.
“Maybe you show a picture of Peter Figoski with his daughters,” Bloomberg said.
The investigation targeted 125 gun dealers in 14 states. Seventy-seven of the sellers investigated agreed to sell guns to buyers who could not pass a background check. Private dealers are not required to conduct background checks prior to a sale, but it is illegal for them to sell firearms to anyone that they believe would not pass one.

Mayor Bloomberg Announced The Results Of An investigation Into Illegal Online Gun Sales « CBS New York

guess what-IF THEY COULD NOT PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK they committed a felony by buying the gun. the mayor conspired with them to do this

New York mayor investigates gun shows ? in Arizona - Los Angeles Times


ut not in his own city. This time, the mayor sent New York investigators to Arizona.

they violated federal firearms laws by buying guns in Arizona

you may apologize to me now
 
LaMidRighter said:
Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.
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He demands proof of stuff that we all know-that Bloomturd sent NY Investigators to other states

when those investigators bought guns they violated the federal firearms laws and since they were not operating under the color or COVER of federal or state (ie Ohio or Arizona) law they are guilty and since the mayor sent them he was part of a conspiracy to violate the federal firearms laws

he should be in jail and his investigators as well

later
 
LaMidRighter said:
Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.
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Virtually everything you wrote is either wrong or absolute conjecture. I still haven't seen a shred of evidence that the Mayor or his people broke the law.
 
AdamT said:
Virtually everything you wrote is either wrong or absolute conjecture. I still haven't seen a shred of evidence that the Mayor or his people broke the law.
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Nope. It's all been discussed already, these laws were broken.
 
TurtleDude said:
The mayor, whose staff was able to purchase illegal guns on Craigslist, including an illegal Ruger P95 9 millimeter, like the one that killed Officer Figoski, had a suggestion about how to get Congress to move.
“Maybe you show a picture of Peter Figoski with his daughters,” Bloomberg said.
The investigation targeted 125 gun dealers in 14 states. Seventy-seven of the sellers investigated agreed to sell guns to buyers who could not pass a background check. Private dealers are not required to conduct background checks prior to a sale, but it is illegal for them to sell firearms to anyone that they believe would not pass one.

Mayor Bloomberg Announced The Results Of An investigation Into Illegal Online Gun Sales « CBS New York

guess what-IF THEY COULD NOT PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK they committed a felony by buying the gun. the mayor conspired with them to do this

New York mayor investigates gun shows ? in Arizona - Los Angeles Times


ut not in his own city. This time, the mayor sent New York investigators to Arizona.

they violated federal firearms laws by buying guns in Arizona

you may apologize to me now
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Well at least you've now posted one LA Times articles that claims the investigators were sent from NY. That's better than nothing!

However, Bloomberg has this to say about the investigators:

"A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the
global firm, Kroll, Inc. worked for four months to capture
video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in
17 different states, these men and women have more than
460 years of combined law enforcement experience and
included many retired federal agents and police officers.
Participants were chosen based on their prior experience
conducting undercover operations and performance
in carefully constructed simulation exercises. Every
investigator who participated in the integrity tests was
required to complete an intensive training designed and
administered by Kroll. Investigators were also taught
how to properly use sophisticated video and audio
recording devices. Cameras were concealed in baseball
hats and purses and had lenses no larger than the tip
of a ballpoint pen. The synchronized audio recording
devices were concealed in watches."

http://www.gunshowundercover2009.or...site226/client/Gun_Show_Undercover_report.pdf
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So I guess my question is, if all of these laws were broken ... why hasn't anyone sued? Clearly Arizona officials were PO'd about the whole thing. Where's the prosecution? Or even the investigation?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Nope. It's all been discussed already, these laws were broken.
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Unfortunately just claiming that laws were broken is worth about what I paid for the claims. There is no EVIDENCE that any laws were broken ... except by the sellers.
 
AdamT said:
Well at least you've now posted one LA Times articles that claims the investigators were sent from NY. That's better than nothing!

However, Bloomberg has this to say about the investigators:



So I guess my question is, if all of these laws were broken ... why hasn't anyone sued? Clearly Arizona officials were PO'd about the whole thing. Where's the prosecution? Or even the investigation?
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Right, because perps never lie.
:roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
He demands proof of stuff that we all know-that Bloomturd sent NY Investigators to other states

when those investigators bought guns they violated the federal firearms laws and since they were not operating under the color or COVER of federal or state (ie Ohio or Arizona) law they are guilty and since the mayor sent them he was part of a conspiracy to violate the federal firearms laws

he should be in jail and his investigators as well

later
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Sadly I'm not privy to your a priori knowledge of "stuff we all know"!
 
AdamT said:
Unfortunately just claiming that laws were broken is worth about what I paid for the claims. There is no EVIDENCE that any laws were broken ... except by the sellers.
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There's plenty of evidence, you've been presented with much of it. Hell they have it on ****ing camera. What else do you need?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Right, because perps never lie.
:roll:
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And newspapers never make mistakes....

Can you provide a link to the Arizona prosecution of these law breakers?
 
LaMidRighter said:
There's plenty of evidence, you've been presented with much of it. Hell they have it on ****ing camera. What else do you need?
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No, no evidence at all. Just unsubstantiated assumptions.
 
AdamT said:
So you wouldn't have a problem getting into a gun fight, if you have a single-shot pistol and the other guy has a Glock with a 15 round magazine?
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Personally I'd rather not get into a gun fight, but if I do, I'd rather have more ore firepower than the criminal, Your dumb laws restrict law abiding citizens, not criminals. But gun grabbers know this. It's not the point to them.
 
LaMidRighter said:
1) Very smart, I have police buddies who told me defense is "stop the aggression" It's never "to kill or injure" or to "take down the perp" It's always "I was stopping his aggression".
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Police should be taught this.. however, you, I, folks in the military is that you keep shooting until the threat is no more. it's a little newspeak imo to change these words down, in our courses we use words like "kill him", etc, to hammer home to folks exactly what they are doing. Someone breaks into your house to rape your 9 year old daughter or steal your TV, you don't know, you keep firing until the threat is stopped. I.E. dead or severely wounded that his will or his ability to continue is eliminated.


2) Yep, something everyone needs to consider.
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Always identify your target, always shoot what you aim at. ;)


3) True, always anticipate and know your surroundings. Survival 101
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We teach no one gets seconds until each one gets one...


4) LOL!
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indeed.
 
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