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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

AdamT said:
And my point is that it is NOW INCORPORATED, so his argument is moot. WTF is wrong with you?
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Uh my argument as to what was going on before McDonald is not moot. and the issue is the illegal activities of people who are not operating under the color of state law who engaged in dishonest activities. For example many of mayor bloomturd's investigators tried to get dirt on gunshows by doing the following

1) looking up ads on online gun brokerages (before you throw a hissy fit, you still have to buy the gun face to fact from a resident of your own home state or have it shipped to a dealer)

2) call up the seller and tell him that the "buyer" could meet him OUTSIDE the entrance to a gun show

3) then buy the gun and later Bloomturd tried to blame the gun shows even though the transaction did not take place in the show etc

4) in one case the investigator had a fake ID showing him to be the resident of state A when he actually lives in NYC. that is a violation of federal law and he has no expectation of not being charged merely because he was Bloomturd's butt boy
 
AdamT said:
Bloomberg wants the federal law changed to require background checks for all gun sales. He was trying to draw attention to the problem of private sellers being exempt from the BG check requirement (a/k/a the gun show loophole).
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in other words he wants more laws when if the current laws were enforced, he and his stooges would be prison bitches right now
 
AdamT said:
So you wouldn't have a problem getting into a gun fight, if you have a single-shot pistol and the other guy has a Glock with a 15 round magazine?
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quantity is nice but accuracy is fatal

The turtle-well known firearms and self defense expert

in some cases I would prefer a knife to a glock

Like for a fight in an elevator or a phone booth
 
TurtleDude said:
quantity is nice but accuracy is fatal

The turtle-well known firearms and self defense expert

in some cases I would prefer a knife to a glock

Like for a fight in an elevator or a phone booth
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Like I explained to him. I know people who would miss with an entire magazine, the only bullet that counts is the one that hits you.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Not at all, then again I've been shooting since I was six and I've seen people who would miss with the entire magazine. If the guy is a decent shot it doesn't matter how many he has. This response of yours is showing you really aren't as informed about guns as you think.
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I let my 14 year old read his babblings and my son noted "the man hasn't a clue about firearms"

then again my son at age 11 beat 40 adults including 12 cops in a club pistol speed shoot and has already completed the marksmanship requirements that the county and the USMS require their armed operatives to pass. 10,000 rounds a year since age 8-he's a really good shot
 
TurtleDude said:
I let my 14 year old read his babblings and my son noted "the man hasn't a clue about firearms"

then again my son at age 11 beat 40 adults including 12 cops in a club pistol speed shoot and has already completed the marksmanship requirements that the county and the USMS require their armed operatives to pass. 10,000 rounds a year since age 8-he's a really good shot
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Geez. Little TD is a crack shot, congrats.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. That's why militaries all over the world are carrying single-shot pistols. :lol:
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guess which soldier killed the most confirmed enemy with a rifle in Vietnam. and guess what sort of rifle it was.

most of the firing in a military is to suppress movement. lots of bullets are good for that.

ever see THE ENEMY AT THE GATE
 
LaMidRighter said:
Like I explained to him. I know people who would miss with an entire magazine, the only bullet that counts is the one that hits you.
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I have fired exactly one bullet at someone. direct hit. it was all that was needed. when the DA asked why I didn't shoot the guy with the remaining 12 rounds I said

1) no need-the first shot stopped the attack upon my person
2) bullets shot could hit someone else even if I hit the perp
3) I knew he had one guy with him-there might be more-why waste ammo when other targets may have to be engaged
4) he asked me what my rates were to teach his investigators
 
LaMidRighter said:
Geez. Little TD is a crack shot, congrats.
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he loves shooting. He is small for his age and marksmanship is a sport where his size is no handicap. He got his TKD black belt but sparring isn't much fun when all the other black belts are at least 50 pounds heavier and 7 inches taller. Same with tennis and squash-he has good skills but bigger stronger kids can hit him off the court. but shooting guns or bows, especially indoors-he rocks because mental discipline and skill is all that counts.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have fired exactly one bullet at someone. direct hit. it was all that was needed. when the DA asked why I didn't shoot the guy with the remaining 12 rounds I said

1) no need-the first shot stopped the attack upon my person
2) bullets shot could hit someone else even if I hit the perp
3) I knew he had one guy with him-there might be more-why waste ammo when other targets may have to be engaged
4) he asked me what my rates were to teach his investigators
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1) Very smart, I have police buddies who told me defense is "stop the aggression" It's never "to kill or injure" or to "take down the perp" It's always "I was stopping his aggression".
2) Yep, something everyone needs to consider.
3) True, always anticipate and know your surroundings. Survival 101
4) LOL!
 
TurtleDude said:
he loves shooting. He is small for his age and marksmanship is a sport where his size is no handicap. He got his TKD black belt but sparring isn't much fun when all the other black belts are at least 50 pounds heavier and 7 inches taller. Same with tennis and squash-he has good skills but bigger stronger kids can hit him off the court. but shooting guns or bows, especially indoors-he rocks because mental discipline and skill is all that counts.
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All that starts to even out as we get older. Kids frames just aren't built for heavy action, I've found that as I've gotten older size didn't matter as much as strength and speed.
 
LaMidRighter said:
All that starts to even out as we get older. Kids frames just aren't built for heavy action, I've found that as I've gotten older size didn't matter as much as strength and speed.
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true, he was born with a somewhat serious but correctable birth defect that required more than a dozen surgeries to overcome-the endocrinologists noted that this may have delayed his growth spurt by a year or two
 
TurtleDude said:
Uh my argument as to what was going on before McDonald is not moot. and the issue is the illegal activities of people who are not operating under the color of state law who engaged in dishonest activities. For example many of mayor bloomturd's investigators tried to get dirt on gunshows by doing the following

1) looking up ads on online gun brokerages (before you throw a hissy fit, you still have to buy the gun face to fact from a resident of your own home state or have it shipped to a dealer)

2) call up the seller and tell him that the "buyer" could meet him OUTSIDE the entrance to a gun show

3) then buy the gun and later Bloomturd tried to blame the gun shows even though the transaction did not take place in the show etc

4) in one case the investigator had a fake ID showing him to be the resident of state A when he actually lives in NYC. that is a violation of federal law and he has no expectation of not being charged merely because he was Bloomturd's butt boy
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Hmm, did you forget to post the cite for all this? Or did you just pull it out of your ass whole cloth?
 
TurtleDude said:
true, he was born with a somewhat serious but correctable birth defect that required more than a dozen surgeries to overcome-the endocrinologists noted that this may have delayed his growth spurt by a year or two
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He'll be fine, the key thing is it got corrected.
 
TurtleDude said:
your lack of knowledge on this subject is amazing. until McDonald almost every court claimed the second amendment didn't apply to state laws controlling firearms. that's why there was a SPLIT IN THE CIRCUITS that caused the supremes to issue cert
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Could you post something else completely obvious and pretend that it's a lightning bolt from heaven? :2rofll:
 
TurtleDude said:
in other words he wants more laws when if the current laws were enforced, he and his stooges would be prison bitches right now
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Yeah, except for the fact that they didn't break any laws. Should I ask you to cite which laws you think he broke again? Nah, then you'd just slink off to the basement again to whine. :lol:
 
TurtleDude said:
quantity is nice but accuracy is fatal

The turtle-well known firearms and self defense expert

in some cases I would prefer a knife to a glock

Like for a fight in an elevator or a phone booth
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I see you're well versed in the art of bullshido.
 
AdamT said:
Hmm, did you forget to post the cite for all this? Or did you just pull it out of your ass whole cloth?
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no, I figure since you claim to be so knowledgeable on this area I don't feel a need to cite stuff that everyone else on this thread knows about
 
TurtleDude said:
guess which soldier killed the most confirmed enemy with a rifle in Vietnam. and guess what sort of rifle it was.

most of the firing in a military is to suppress movement. lots of bullets are good for that.

ever see THE ENEMY AT THE GATE
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Yes, bolt action is fine if you happen to be a sniper.
 
TurtleDude said:
no, I figure since you claim to be so knowledgeable on this area I don't feel a need to cite stuff that everyone else on this thread knows about
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Translation: I completely fabricated it.
 
AdamT said:
Could you post something else completely obvious and pretend that it's a lightning bolt from heaven? :2rofll:
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Well your since your posts on this subject ooze ignorance I figure stating the basics might be a good place to start my task in edifying you about this subject.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, bolt action is fine if you happen to be a sniper.
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clue me in on your expertise with firearms. so far I don't see anything that suggests you have had any training in this area. different situations require different firearms for optimum control of the environment.
 
TurtleDude said:
Well your since your posts on this subject ooze ignorance I figure stating the basics might be a good place to start my task in edifying you about this subject.
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Huh, weird. I thought you'd slipped into a semi-conscious fugue state ... or that you were a wannabe 1L boning up on his LSATs.
 
TurtleDude said:
clue me in on your expertise with firearms. so far I don't see anything that suggests you have had any training in this area. different situations require different firearms for optimum control of the environment.
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Never claimed to be a firearms expert.
 
AdamT said:
I see you're well versed in the art of bullshido.
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actually since you put this at issue

1) I qualified Distinguished expert on the USMS qualification course
2) I was on the team that won two US national championships
3) I was a three time all-American
4) I have had over 200 hours of intensive use of "lethal force" training by one of the top facilities in the USA and I have served as an instructor at that and an additional nationally prominent training facility

that's a short bit-it would take three pages to list everything

So what do you bring to the table?
 
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