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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

dude, you want to talk about me being full of ****, or the issue?

if you want to talk about me being full of ****, I suggest you ignore my God-damned posts, because its all you're talking about now.

You never provided any proof when asked about your citation and if you knew anything about the DOJ and their actions against a legal gun owner.
 
I'm glad to hear tha purchases of more than 5 guns at one time from the same dealer, requires a notice to the ATF. This is good to hear, thank you TD.

however, it still depends upon the honesty of gun dealers. :(

so does paying one's taxes but if you cheat you might go to jail

if doing federal prison time is not enough "persuasion" to deter a dealer from breaking the law then passing more laws won't change anything

but lets get back to the idiot Mayor of yours. He violated federal and state gun laws. He ought to be someone's prison bitch for that
 
no, its not gun registration.

digitized records as opposed to paper records...is simply an technological update.

Records, in possession of the government, of which individuals have purchased which guns. That's not gun registration?

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...and your suggestion has no merit. BC won't be any faster by the dealers sending stuff they are not permitted to send to the ATF, and which the ATF has no authority to collect

however, if the ATF has the right to records of all gun-sales over 5 guns per person, then I see no problem with making those records instant & digital.

what's soo wrong with digitizing these records?

what's soo wrong with putting listing one's legal right to own a firearm, on the barcode of their drivers license?

if anything, these things will make things easier & quicker for legitimate gun buyers, and harder only for thieves & murderers.
 
dude, you want to talk about me being full of ****, or the issue?

if you want to talk about me being full of ****, I suggest you ignore my God-damned posts, because its all you're talking about now.
There's no reason to discuss the issue with you. It's always the same crap, you always lose on it, and you never stop repeating the incorrect crap. There's no reason now to take your stance seriously.
 
however, if the ATF has the right to records of all gun-sales over 5 guns per person, then I see no problem with making those records instant & digital.

what's soo wrong with digitizing these records?

what's soo wrong with putting listing one's legal right to own a firearm, on the barcode of their drivers license?

if anything, these things will make things easier & quicker for legitimate gun buyers, and harder only for thieves & murderers.


So then, you could also agree with ID to vote laws? They are strikingly similar.

j-mac
 
however, if the ATF has the right to records of all gun-sales over 5 guns per person, then I see no problem with making those records instant & digital.

what's soo wrong with digitizing these records?

what's soo wrong with putting listing one's legal right to own a firearm, on the barcode of their drivers license?

if anything, these things will make things easier & quicker for legitimate gun buyers, and harder only for thieves & murderers.

Legit gun buyers may not want to have their information all encrypted on a swipe card, while we're at it why don't we just put a microchip in our hands.
 
So then, you could also agree with ID to vote laws? They are strikingly similar.

j-mac

as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

happy?
 
There's no reason to discuss the issue with you. It's always the same crap, you always lose on it, and you never stop repeating the incorrect crap. There's no reason now to take your stance seriously.
and yet....you can't....stop....responding.

its flattering. really it is. :)
 
Records, in possession of the government, of which individuals have purchased which guns. That's not gun registration?

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of course it is gun registration and ATF has been slapped around when they have tried to create a registry in the past--its why the dealer only tells the BC agency if its a long gun (age 18 legal) or handgun (age 21) when the dealer calls in the check
 
as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

happy?
You don't get ****. That's why we have the second amendment, our rights have been compromised enough and we have standing that you don't. Period.
 
as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

happy?


Yep, we are going to hell anyway, might as well get something for it.


j-mac
 
and yet....you can't....stop....responding.

its flattering. really it is. :)
You shouldn't be flattered considering you've been beaten so many times. Normally I don't read you but I'm getting sick of your wasting bandwidth with this garbage.
 
got anything but hyperbolic strawmen?

I do not think these words mean what you think they mean:
hyperbolic: exaggerated
strawmen: A made-up version of an opponent's argument that can easily be defeated.

You still have not answered my question about your "source"
 
the ATF shouldn't have to rely upon the honesty & integrity of gun dealers, to get their wholesale/retail sales records. that's just insane.


No, that's just an obvious aspect of the “innocent until proven guilty”*principle.

In a broader sense, yes, government has to rely on the honesty and integrity of the governed; and if government wants to act on the assumption that an individual has not acted with honesty and integrity, then the burden of proof is on government to prove that the individual is guilty of dishonesty or lack of integrity.

The whole of your position, as expressed in this thread, and anywhere else that you've discussed gun rights, has been based on the Thunderous idea that government has the right to assume that any individual is a criminal, up to no good, and that it is on the individual to prove his innocence before he may exercise one of his most basic Constitutional rights. This position is completely, totally, Thunderously wrong, and so is every position that you take based on it.

“Innocent until proven guilty.”
 
...The whole of your position, as expressed in this thread, and anywhere else that you've discussed gun rights, has been based on the Thunderous idea that government has the right to assume that any individual is a criminal, up to no good, and that it is on the individual to prove his innocence before he may exercise one of his most basic Constitutional rights. This position is completely, totally, Thunderously wrong, and so is every position that you take based on it...

Everything you have posted above, is a lie.
 
I do not think these words mean what you think they mean:
hyperbolic: exaggerated
strawmen: A made-up version of an opponent's argument that can easily be defeated....

yes, and this is all you have posted in response to me.
 
that's fine.

I'm sorry, are we talking about me....or you?

no, only you are telling me I am full of ****.

but if you really think I'm full of ****, then don't respond to my ****ing posts.

:)

dude, you want to talk about me being full of ****, or the issue?

if you want to talk about me being full of ****, I suggest you ignore my God-damned posts, because its all you're talking about now.

got anything but hyperbolic strawmen?

and yet....you can't....stop....responding.

its flattering. really it is. :)

holy ****!!!!! is that new??

so stop responding to my posts. its quite easy.

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