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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

MaggieD said:
Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.
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Most criminals buy their guns on the street, not gunshows. Your fears are greatly exaggerated.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How would you know? It's not like there's a paper trail.
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Fair point. I'm not sure were all criminals get their guns. Do we keep such stats? And how are they collected?
 
This is a job for the fed's. I am reasonably sure the federal law enforcement agencies have established a precedent of undercover investigations without notifying the local powers that be before.

Bloomberg. What an idiot. This is something I would more expect from Dateline - NBC,

But, beyond the roughshod arrogance of it all, as a fervent pro-gun rights advocate, I do agree that better care could be taken in placing guns into the hands of more responsible people. I am convinced that the market will not police itself.

But it's a political hotbed. Politicians don't want to go there. Anything that resembles a hint of more control over firearms, regardless of how sensible it may or may not be, is met with gnashing teeth.
 
Captain America said:
This is a job for the fed's. I am reasonably sure the federal law enforcement agencies have established a precedent of undercover investigations without notifying the local powers that be before.

Bloomberg. What an idiot. This is something I would more expect from Dateline - NBC,

But, beyond the roughshod arrogance of it all, as a fervent pro-gun rights advocate, I do agree that better care could be taken in placing guns into the hands of more responsible people. I am convinced that the market will not police itself.

But it's a political hotbed. Politicians don't want to go there. Anything that resembles a hint of more control over firearms, regardless of how sensible it may or may not be, is met with gnashing teeth.
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Seeing how Anti-2nd amendment loons use baby steps to work towards the goal of full ban why would any person who actually supports the 2nd amendment trust any so called 'sensible' or 'reasonable' gun control laws? It seems that every anti-2nd amendment law enacted lead to stricter anti-2nd amendment law being pushed and enacted.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
How would you know? It's not like there's a paper trail.
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Actually, "On the street" is accurate. From people that are Fed. Firearms Licence holders that don't have the same requirment for background checking as those with a store front. Now, I have no doubt that "Gun Shows" are a source, but certainly theft, illegal purchase, and other trafficking are far bigger sources....

Here is a story on just that...

Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS
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But this still doesn't address the issue of a Mayor of one city, sending his officers, undisclosed to another jurisdiction to conduct an undercover operation.


j-mac
 
@James

The ol', "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile," approach. I can dig it.

It's a wonder that I am not able to walk down the street with an RPG. LOL!

I kinda felt that way about the Patriot Act too. Funny thing about that, the "Don't give 'em an inch," crowd seemed to support that. I can remember it like yesterday. Posters here saying, "If you got nothing to hide you shouldn't mind having your phones tapped."

It's a funny world, no?
 
jamesrage said:
Seeing how Anti-2nd amendment loons use baby steps to work towards the goal of full ban why would any person who actually supports the 2nd amendment trust any so called 'sensible' or 'reasonable' gun control laws? It seems that every anti-2nd amendment law enacted lead to stricter anti-2nd amendment law being pushed and enacted.
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This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?
 
Come to think of it, I thought Obama was gonna come and take all my guns and rape all the white women. What happened to that?

Hell, I just applied for my CCW license. LOL!
 
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MrVicchio said:
Most criminals buy their guns on the street, not gunshows. Your fears are greatly exaggerated.
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California gun laws prevented Pentagon gunman from buying gun | 89.3 KPCC

California gun laws prevented Pentagon gunman from buying gun.

......The head of the state’s Bureau of Firearms says the fact that Bedell couldn’t buy a gun in California is proof that “our system worked.” But 19 days after he was stopped from buying a gun in California, Bedell purchased one — a 9 millimeter Ruger — at a gun show in Nevada......

So if only a few criminals and crazies buy their guns at gun shows it must be alright then....its not as if that many people die because of the loopholes.
 
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Captain America said:
@James

The ol', "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile," approach. I can dig it.

It's a wonder that I am not able to walk down the street with an RPG. LOL!

I kinda felt that way about the Patriot Act too. Funny thing about that, the "Don't give 'em an inch," crowd seemed to support that. I can remember it like yesterday. Posters here saying, "If you got nothing to hide you shouldn't mind having your phones tapped."

It's a funny world, no?
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That's fine, and I see where you are comming from Cap, but the difference is that the whole thing of the Patriot act was a disingenuous argument. No one was ever talking about tapping every Americans phone for that valued chocolate chip cookie recipe. It was about calls comming in from overseas from known targets.

But, we should be keeping our eye on the ball here....Bloomberg may have violated law by doing this.


j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?
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If it were up to libs, the answer would be 'all of em'...


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
If it were up to libs, the answer would be 'all of em'...


j-mac
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So goes the claim. Still, I ask, how many actually have been? Can it be the claim is more smke than substance?
 
j-mac said:
That's fine, and I see where you are comming from Cap, but the difference is that the whole thing of the Patriot act was a disingenuous argument. No one was ever talking about tapping every Americans phone for that valued chocolate chip cookie recipe. It was about calls comming in from overseas from known targets.

But, we should be keeping our eye on the ball here....Bloomberg may have violated law by doing this.


j-mac
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That really doesn't change anything. It really was givng more than an inch.
 
j-mac said:
If it were up to libs, the answer would be 'all of em'...


j-mac
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You kiddin' me? I got more sports weapons than the Pope's got Catholics. Me and my liberal buddies (as well as my conservative buddies) are a well armed bunch of yahoo's at deer camp. Pretty damn good marksmen too if I do say so myself.

The lib's ain't comin' for your guns folks. (As if you haven't already figured that one out.) You can all come out now. The Wicked Witch is dead. LOL!
 
Captain America said:
@James

The ol', "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile," approach. I can dig it.

It's a wonder that I am not able to walk down the street with an RPG. LOL!

I kinda felt that way about the Patriot Act too. Funny thing about that, the "Don't give 'em an inch," crowd seemed to support that. I can remember it like yesterday. Posters here saying, "If you got nothing to hide you shouldn't mind having your phones tapped."

It's a funny world, no?
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I was one of those posters and I was wrong.
 
Boo Radley said:
This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?
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I do not know about direct bans but there have been a **** load of infringements on the 2nd amendment in the past 53 years. From denying adults between 18-20 years of age from buying handguns, mandatory back ground checks, waiting periods, licensing/permits, bans on weapons made after certain date,imprisonment for exercising your right to keep and bear arms in certain states, registrations ,infringements on where someone may exercise their right to bear arms, and many other infringements.
 
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I bought a gun at the Crossroads gun show 3 weeks ago. The first thing the seller asked me was if I had a CCW. I do. The gun next to me didn't. The seller told him they have to run him through the computer. Responsible gun sales.

The Crossroads gun show is massive. If you like guns it's a real kick in the ass to spend a day there. How long did it take the Bloomberg police and how many booths did they visit to get a few brief minutes of video? We don't know that.

Have the Bloomberg police filmed an equal and similar effort to buy guns on the streets in New York state? Ah......, no.

So when I see crap like the OP and video I have to ask, compared to what? Arizona gun show video - compared to what?
 
New Yorkers in Texas?!?! Sh it!
 
Sounds like Bloomberg believes himself the defacto Director of the ATF, since such "stings" crossing state lines are the purview of that federal agency. Or perhaps Bloomberg is just setting himself up for a presidential run as nominee of the "Attention-Whoring Dip****" party.
 
Boo Radley said:
Is it a jusrisdiction thing for you, or that it involves guns? Just curious.
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YOu should be offended, when Utah does abortion stings in Manhattan, I'd bet you'd be whining your ass off... difference is, only the 10th would be being violated, not the 2nd and the 10th, Bloomberg is an insterstate thug and a criminal. the fact he's sucking liberal cause du jour is no excuse. His "agents" violated federal law lying on forms, He and his agents are guilty of several federal and local laws.... But it's ok if it's a cause you support, eh?
 
DiAnna said:
Sounds like Bloomberg believes himself the defacto Director of the ATF, since such "stings" crossing state lines are the purview of that federal agency. Or perhaps Bloomberg is just setting himself up for a presidential run as nominee of the "Attention-Whoring Dip****" party.
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No ****ing way bloomberg wins the presidency, the dude is a douchebag.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
YOu should be offended, when Utah does abortion stings in Manhattan, I'd bet you'd be whining your ass off... difference is, only the 10th would be being violated, not the 2nd and the 10th, Bloomberg is an insterstate thug and a criminal. the fact he's sucking liberal cause du jour is no excuse. His "agents" violated federal law lying on forms, He and his agents are guilty of several federal and local laws.... But it's ok if it's a cause you support, eh?
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Like I said on this, I suspect there is legalities involved. They will be answered. But I suspect, as the article J linked said, this was likely show and not substantive. That makes it meaningless if true.

It's all about the law and not how I feel about guns, which is really very little one way or the other.
 
jamesrage said:
I do not know about direct bans but there have been a **** load of infringements on the 2nd amendment in the past 53 years. From denying adults between 18-20 years of age from buying handguns, mandatory back ground checks, waiting periods, licensing/permits, bans on weapons made after certain date,imprisonment for exercising your right to keep and bear arms in certain states, registrations ,infringements on where someone may exercise their right to bear arms, and many other infringements.
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Well, it does say well regulated. Still, the fear has never been appropriate to the actual threat. guns will never be banned in this country, and all sides of the political spectrum understand that. The same fretting has been around since long before I was born. And the actually banning? Zip! Nada! Nothing!
 
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