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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact is that no one has produced a shred of evidence that the investigators lived or resided in NY. It's really not rocket science.
    I guess the comments from the paper saying them came from NY wasn't good enough for you

    OK

    lets play a little game

    lets assume they did

    answer now

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess the comments from the paper saying them came from NY wasn't good enough for you

    OK

    lets play a little game

    lets assume they did

    answer now
    Sadly for you, the paper didn't even say they came from NY. What they said was that they were "New York investigators", which could mean that they were from NY, or it could mean that they were Arizona-based investigators paid for by the city of New York. On the other hand, the investigation's report says that the investigators came 17 states and, AFAIK, no state has attempted to prosecute the investigators.

    So the MOST you can say is that, IF the buyers were from out of state, THEN state laws were broken.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sadly for you, the paper didn't even say they came from NY. What they said was that they were "New York investigators", which could mean that they were from NY, or it could mean that they were Arizona-based investigators paid for by the city of New York. On the other hand, the investigation's report says that the investigators came 17 states and, AFAIK, no state has attempted to prosecute the investigators.

    So the MOST you can say is that, IF the buyers were from out of state, THEN state laws were broken.
    more idiocy on your part

    the federal laws prevent a resident in state A from buying ANY GUN FROM A private citizen in ANY STATE BUT A

    and the sellers did nothing wrong then

    so why is Bloomturd having a cow

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more idiocy on your part

    the federal laws prevent a resident in state A from buying ANY GUN FROM A private citizen in ANY STATE BUT A

    and the sellers did nothing wrong then

    so why is Bloomturd having a cow
    WTF does you statement have to do with anything? The fact is, if you even bothered to watch the hidden camera videos, that the buyers showed proof of Arizona citizenship. If they were fake IDs then they broke the law. If not, then they didn't. Unless you have some evidence I haven't seen, there is no way to know where they came from.

    The sellers violated federal law when they sold to a buyer whom they had reason to believe could not pass a background check. In that respect the buyer's state of residence was immaterial.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    WTF does you statement have to do with anything? The fact is, if you even bothered to watch the hidden camera videos, that the buyers showed proof of Arizona citizenship. If they were fake IDs then they broke the law. If not, then they didn't. Unless you have some evidence I haven't seen, there is no way to know where they came from.

    The sellers violated federal law when they sold to a buyer whom they had reason to believe could not pass a background check. In that respect the buyer's state of residence was immaterial.
    As to the ohio stuff-well I best not comment other than knowing at least one of the buyers had an OHIO ID but he wasn't from Ohio

    and your claim is not correct. If the guy said

    1) I am a felon
    2) I am a fugitive
    3) I am a dishonorably discharged veteran or a drug addict
    4) I live in Texas
    5) I have a DV misdemeanor convictions
    6) I am under indictment

    then yes (if that were true)

    saying he might not pass a check has not been ruled sufficient to meet the requirements of knowledge

    try again

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    As to the ohio stuff-well I best not comment other than knowing at least one of the buyers had an OHIO ID but he wasn't from Ohio

    and your claim is not correct. If the guy said

    1) I am a felon
    2) I am a fugitive
    3) I am a dishonorably discharged veteran or a drug addict
    4) I live in Texas
    5) I have a DV misdemeanor convictions
    6) I am under indictment

    then yes (if that were true)

    saying he might not pass a check has not been ruled sufficient to meet the requirements of knowledge

    try again
    Again, "I knew a guy" and "has not been ruled sufficient" doesn't mean jack. What is the cite for the case where it wasn't ruled sufficient?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, "I knew a guy" and "has not been ruled sufficient" doesn't mean jack. What is the cite for the case where it wasn't ruled sufficient?
    well tell me "counselor"

    if those sellers violated the law how come not ONE OF THEM has been convicted let alone charged?

    because in several cases the buyer is babbling and makes comments about I might not pass a check and there is no response from the seller.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well tell me "counselor"

    if those sellers violated the law how come not ONE OF THEM has been convicted let alone charged?

    because in several cases the buyer is babbling and makes comments about I might not pass a check and there is no response from the seller.
    Unfortunately these violations are rarely prosecuted. Now, if the buyers broke the law, why weren't they prosecuted?

    And the cite, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    My purpose in this thread is simply to explain what the REALITY of the situation is, just in case anyone might be listening and be buffaloed by pro-gun hacks who constantly repeat false and unsupported statements like yours. I mean, here we are on page 83 of this thread and you are still claiming that Bloomberg violated the law, when every attempt to establish that has gone down in screaming flames. It's shameful.

    From a policy standpoint, I think that there should either be no law against selling guns to felons, or there should be no exceptions to the background check law. The half-assed law we have now is neither fish nor fowl.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

    When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

    I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

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