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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

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    I've pulled many times. But that's kind of a personal question, don't you think?

    Fortunately this topic requires absolutely zero knowledge of firearms. The topic involves the legalities of what Bloomberg did, and up until now all efforts to establish that he broke even one law have been an epic FAIL.
    Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    The mayor, whose staff was able to purchase illegal guns on Craigslist, including an illegal Ruger P95 9 millimeter, like the one that killed Officer Figoski, had a suggestion about how to get Congress to move.
    “Maybe you show a picture of Peter Figoski with his daughters,” Bloomberg said.
    The investigation targeted 125 gun dealers in 14 states. Seventy-seven of the sellers investigated agreed to sell guns to buyers who could not pass a background check. Private dealers are not required to conduct background checks prior to a sale, but it is illegal for them to sell firearms to anyone that they believe would not pass one.

    Mayor Bloomberg Announced The Results Of An investigation Into Illegal Online Gun Sales « CBS New York

    guess what-IF THEY COULD NOT PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK they committed a felony by buying the gun. the mayor conspired with them to do this

    New York mayor investigates gun shows ? in Arizona - Los Angeles Times


    ut not in his own city. This time, the mayor sent New York investigators to Arizona.

    they violated federal firearms laws by buying guns in Arizona

    you may apologize to me now

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.

    He demands proof of stuff that we all know-that Bloomturd sent NY Investigators to other states

    when those investigators bought guns they violated the federal firearms laws and since they were not operating under the color or COVER of federal or state (ie Ohio or Arizona) law they are guilty and since the mayor sent them he was part of a conspiracy to violate the federal firearms laws

    he should be in jail and his investigators as well

    later

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Actually it requires a great deal of knowledge. First Bloomberg committed crimes in Ohio and Arizona by commissioning those investigators without jurisdiction, that's the least of what he did. It is a felony to transfer firearms across state lines without a going through a dealer, they did not have a right to conduct surveillance without a valid license or without probable cause, and as well they committed a feloney by falsifying their identities during the purchase. As well this was done by an idiot mayor who is anti-gun, if you want to regulate something you had better know the subject of law and the basics before you opine, most anti-gunners come across as uninformed, paranoid, and stupid to the rest of us.
    Virtually everything you wrote is either wrong or absolute conjecture. I still haven't seen a shred of evidence that the Mayor or his people broke the law.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Virtually everything you wrote is either wrong or absolute conjecture. I still haven't seen a shred of evidence that the Mayor or his people broke the law.
    Nope. It's all been discussed already, these laws were broken.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The mayor, whose staff was able to purchase illegal guns on Craigslist, including an illegal Ruger P95 9 millimeter, like the one that killed Officer Figoski, had a suggestion about how to get Congress to move.
    “Maybe you show a picture of Peter Figoski with his daughters,” Bloomberg said.
    The investigation targeted 125 gun dealers in 14 states. Seventy-seven of the sellers investigated agreed to sell guns to buyers who could not pass a background check. Private dealers are not required to conduct background checks prior to a sale, but it is illegal for them to sell firearms to anyone that they believe would not pass one.

    Mayor Bloomberg Announced The Results Of An investigation Into Illegal Online Gun Sales « CBS New York

    guess what-IF THEY COULD NOT PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK they committed a felony by buying the gun. the mayor conspired with them to do this

    New York mayor investigates gun shows ? in Arizona - Los Angeles Times


    ut not in his own city. This time, the mayor sent New York investigators to Arizona.

    they violated federal firearms laws by buying guns in Arizona

    you may apologize to me now
    Well at least you've now posted one LA Times articles that claims the investigators were sent from NY. That's better than nothing!

    However, Bloomberg has this to say about the investigators:

    "A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the
    global firm, Kroll, Inc. worked for four months to capture
    video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in
    17 different states, these men and women have more than
    460 years of combined law enforcement experience and
    included many retired federal agents and police officers.
    Participants were chosen based on their prior experience
    conducting undercover operations and performance
    in carefully constructed simulation exercises. Every
    investigator who participated in the integrity tests was
    required to complete an intensive training designed and
    administered by Kroll. Investigators were also taught
    how to properly use sophisticated video and audio
    recording devices. Cameras were concealed in baseball
    hats and purses and had lenses no larger than the tip
    of a ballpoint pen. The synchronized audio recording
    devices were concealed in watches."

    http://www.gunshowundercover2009.org...ver_report.pdf
    So I guess my question is, if all of these laws were broken ... why hasn't anyone sued? Clearly Arizona officials were PO'd about the whole thing. Where's the prosecution? Or even the investigation?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope. It's all been discussed already, these laws were broken.
    Unfortunately just claiming that laws were broken is worth about what I paid for the claims. There is no EVIDENCE that any laws were broken ... except by the sellers.

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    rolleyes Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well at least you've now posted one LA Times articles that claims the investigators were sent from NY. That's better than nothing!

    However, Bloomberg has this to say about the investigators:



    So I guess my question is, if all of these laws were broken ... why hasn't anyone sued? Clearly Arizona officials were PO'd about the whole thing. Where's the prosecution? Or even the investigation?
    Right, because perps never lie.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He demands proof of stuff that we all know-that Bloomturd sent NY Investigators to other states

    when those investigators bought guns they violated the federal firearms laws and since they were not operating under the color or COVER of federal or state (ie Ohio or Arizona) law they are guilty and since the mayor sent them he was part of a conspiracy to violate the federal firearms laws

    he should be in jail and his investigators as well

    later
    Sadly I'm not privy to your a priori knowledge of "stuff we all know"!

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unfortunately just claiming that laws were broken is worth about what I paid for the claims. There is no EVIDENCE that any laws were broken ... except by the sellers.
    There's plenty of evidence, you've been presented with much of it. Hell they have it on ****ing camera. What else do you need?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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