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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A sting operation is almost always inititiated by investigators; that doesn't make it entrapment. "A person does not establish entrapment if the person was predisposed to commit the offense and the law enforcement officers or their agents merely provided the person with an opportunity to commit the offense."
    A sting operation is set against people whom they know to be engaged in the activity, or wanting to be engaged in the activity, in order to catch them in the act.

    They had no reason to believe that this seller was so predisposed.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    A sting operation is set against people whom they know to be engaged in the activity, or wanting to be engaged in the activity, in order to catch them in the act.

    They had no reason to believe that this seller was so predisposed.
    Well, if you see someone on a street corner passing baggies to people in cars in exchange for money, you might have a pretty good idea that they're engaged in the activity of selling drugs, even if you don't know it for a fact. That's why you do sting operations; to confirm your suspicions.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, if you see someone on a street corner passing baggies to people in cars in exchange for money, you might have a pretty good idea that they're engaged in the activity of selling drugs, even if you don't know it for a fact. That's why you do sting operations; to confirm your suspicions.
    Wait what!? Please tell me you know the difference between sales of an illicit substance such as drugs and a legal product such as firearms. If an officer or investigator is on the street and observes suspicious behavior such as "passing money in a bag and recieving another bag" and this is in a high crime area there is a probable cause. It's kind of expected to see a gun sold at a gun show, there is no probable cause to assume that any laws are being broken by the seller.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, if you see someone on a street corner passing baggies to people in cars in exchange for money, you might have a pretty good idea that they're engaged in the activity of selling drugs, even if you don't know it for a fact. That's why you do sting operations; to confirm your suspicions.
    Oh, so anyone selling guns at a gun show is "suspicious"?

    So far, you've been doing reasonably well at arguing what a prosecutor would argue against entrapment, but this one would be gonged in a millisecond.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Wait what!? Please tell me you know the difference between sales of an illicit substance such as drugs and a legal product such as firearms. If an officer or investigator is on the street and observes suspicious behavior such as "passing money in a bag and recieving another bag" and this is in a high crime area there is a probable cause. It's kind of expected to see a gun sold at a gun show, there is no probable cause to assume that any laws are being broken by the seller.
    Forget probable cause; there's nothing even approaching reasonable suspicion.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Forget probable cause; there's nothing even approaching reasonable suspicion.
    True. I jumped the gun a little.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure. Your post on the matter, i.e. "giving the opportunity to refuse."

    How did they do this exactly, and how does it make it not entrapment?
    no one can force you to engage in criminal activity.

    an honest, law-abiding, patriotic American would immediately refuse sale...upon learning that the prospective buyer might not pass a background check.

    why? cause the asshole might be a child-rapist, a murderer, a car-thief, or even a terrorist.

    who the **** sells a gun to someone who might be a convicted felon??????????

    someone who cares more about the $$$$$ than his country.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no one can force you to engage in criminal activity.

    an honest, law-abiding, patriotic American would immediately refuse sale...upon learning that the prospective buyer might not pass a background check.

    why? cause the asshole might be a child-rapist, a murderer, a car-thief, or even a terrorist.

    who the **** sells a gun to someone who might be a convicted felon??????????

    someone who cares more about the $$$$$ than his country.
    Oddly enough, none of this has to do with whether or not something is entrapment. And you wondered why I thought you didn't have a clue?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    True. I jumped the gun a little.
    Teh-heh. "The gun."

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That's what libs want you to believe.You have to be a fool to believe that someone who enacted and or supported anti-2nd amendment laws in their state won't try to do the same thing when he or she is president.Before the Fast and Furious operation came to light they were trying to use Mexicans buying guns from American gun dealers as an excuse to try further infringe on 2nd amendment rights.
    I'm sure that there are extremo libber's on the left that would LOVE to take away our guns. But I also know that there are whacko righties that would want to put up video cams in our bedrooms and send the poor to work camps to serve the rich.

    I think it's a bit extreme to paint either group with one big brush.

    That's all I'm saying. I don't buy all the demonization and fabrications from the right that are pointed at people who differ from them in opinion. Most critical thinking people don't.

    One thing for sure. There are no shortage of idiots here in America. Good news is, there aren't enough of them to really matter in the grand scheme of things and just enough of them to keep FOXNews profitable.

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