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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    anyone who has a legitimate reason to believe someone is a felon or for some other reason is now allowed to buy a gun, sells a gun to such person, has committed a crime.

    if I go to a gun show, ask to a buy a gun, ask about BG checks and tell you I probably would not pass one, and you still sell me the gun...you have committed a crime.

    why the **** would you sell a gun to someone who admits they probably would not pass a BG check???? just to make a ****ing buck???

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wow, can you not understand that THERE WERE NO FORMS?! Private seller = no forms. The point of the exercise was to demonstrate how a felon could take advantage of this loophole to buy a gun. Thus, the buyer implied that he could not pass a background check. While no BG check is required in a private sale, it is still illegal for a private seller to sell a gun to someone whom he reasonably believes may be a felon. Accordingly, the sellers probably violated federal law, but the buyer did not (assuming he was just lying about not being able to pass a BG check). That was the point -- not to transfer the guns to NYC.


    "probably wouldn't pass a background check" means nothing to the seller, it is not his responsibility to do a background check. It was entrapment, and you seem quite happy with the laws broken that support your agenda.....

    If I was an AZ da, I'd have warrants out for Bloomberg, and the thugs at the Kroll agency....
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "probably wouldn't pass a background check" means nothing to the seller, it is not his responsibility to do a background check. It was entrapment, and you seem quite happy with the laws broken that support your agenda.....

    If I was an AZ da, I'd have warrants out for Bloomberg, and the thugs at the Kroll agency....
    I already quoted the federal law, chapter and verse. It is a federal crime to sell to somone if you have reasonable cause to believe that they could not pass a background check. If the buyer tells you that he probably could not pass a background check then you have reasonable cause to believe that what they are telling you is true.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I already quoted the federal law, chapter and verse. It is a federal crime to sell to somone if you have reasonable cause to believe that they could not pass a background check. If the buyer tells you that he probably could not pass a background check then you have reasonable cause to believe that what they are telling you is true.


    "probably"?


    It's ****ing entrapment from an interstate felon named bloomberg, selective with the law counselor?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "probably"?

    It's ****ing entrapment from an interstate felon named bloomberg, selective with the law counselor?
    entrapment? the guy gave him the opportunity to refuse the sale.

    instead, he chose to go through with the sale, knowning full well the guy might be a felon.

    its called personal responsibility.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "probably"?


    It's ****ing entrapment from an interstate felon named bloomberg, selective with the law counselor?
    Since there was no arrest, or prosecution, there was obviously no entrapment. As I mentioned above, it's no different than something an investigative journalist might do. Which is not to say that it wasn't a weird thing for Bloomberg to do! OTOH, he claims that 90% of the guns seized in NYC come from out of state. He's trying to make the point that lax federal law makes it more difficult to control the flow of illegal guns into his jurisdiction.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    The only reason it's not entrapment is because they had no law enforcement jurisdiction. If they had, it would be textbook entrapment.

    I wouldn't expect Thunder to have a clue what the elements of entrapment are, but AdamT, if you have the background you say you do, you should.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The only reason it's not entrapment is because they had no law enforcement jurisdiction. If they had, it would be textbook entrapment.

    I wouldn't expect Thunder to have a clue what the elements of entrapment are, but AdamT, if you have the background you say you do, you should.
    I disagree that it would be textbook entrapment. Entrapment generally implies the use of coercion to get someone to do something that they would not normally do. In this case the buyer mentioned, in a completely offhand way, that he probably couldn't pass a background check. The sellers completely ignored those comments and proceded as if nothing had been said. It was pretty obvious that they didn't give a **** whether or not the guy was a felon. They just wanted to sell their guns.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    ...I wouldn't expect Thunder to have a clue what the elements of entrapment are, but AdamT, if you have the background you say you do, you should.
    and why do you say that? got any logical reason for such a childish snipe?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I disagree that it would be twxtbook entrapment. Entrapment generally implies the use of coercion to get someone to do something that they would not normally do.
    Not really (especially in cases such as solicitation for prostitution or drug distribution), and coercion is a general affirmative defense.

    In this case the buyer mentioned, in a completely offhand way, that he probably couldn't pass a background check. The sellers completely ignored those comments and proceded as if nothing had been said.
    If it was so "offhand," then it doesn't do much to make the case the seller did anything illegal. Considering it's the entire lynchpin of the (hypothetical) case, "offhand" doesn't seem the appropriate word.
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