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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's what I figured.
    Instead of figuring you should have just read the preceding pages instead of jumping in at the end and assuming you knew what came before.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Instead of figuring you should have just read the preceding pages instead of jumping in at the end and assuming you knew what came before.
    Oh, but I did.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, but I did.
    So you have a reading problem, then.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Further more "counselor"


    "It is lawful for NY residents to purchase or obtain rifles or shotguns in a contiguous state and to receive and transport said rifle and shotguns into the state, provided the person is otherwise eligible to possess a rifle or shotgun under NY law."


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    So, there are two laws I found right there, and The Good Reverend has no Law License.....
    i gotta look this one up.

    ok, I looked it up.

    ok, Im gonna ask TD about this.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Awesome. Now all you have to do is establish that, (1) the buyer was a NY resident (despite the fact that he showed an ID establishing AZ residence), and (2) that the guns were transported to New York.

    I shall await your evidence.





    NYC performs sting at Ariz. gun show - Boston.com


    The private investigators, wearing concealed cameras, were sold 9mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably could not pass background checks


    So either they lied on that form I linked to, or they passed the nics check. If that is your evidence, counselor, what law did whom break? FAIL.


    If the guns were not being transported back to NY, WTF was that douchebag doing in AZ trying to prove?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Here is the private party law.


    Private firearms transfers (i.e., transfers by non-firearms dealers) are not subject to a background check requirement in Arizona, although federal and state purchaser prohibitions still apply. No person may knowingly sell or transfer a deadly weapon to a prohibited possessor (defined under 13-3101(A)(6)). Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. 13-3102(A)(5). See the Arizona Background Checks section for further information.

    A person is criminally liable for the crime of “misconduct involving weapons” if he or she knowingly supplies, sells or gives possession or control of a firearm to another person, if the seller or transferor knows or has reason to know that the other person would use the firearm in the commission of any felony. Section 13-3102(A)(14).

    Arizona prohibits any person from selling or giving a firearm or ammunition or a toy pistol from which dangerous and explosive substances may be discharged to a minor (defined as a person under age 18; see 1-215(22)), without written consent of the minor’s parent or legal guardian. Section 13-3109(A).

    This prohibition does not apply to the temporary transfer of firearms and ammunition by firearms safety instructors, hunter safety instructors, competition coaches or their assistants, if the minor’s parent or guardian has given consent for the minor to participate in activities such as firearms or hunting safety courses, firearms competition, or training. Section 13-3109(C). With the consent of the minor’s parent or guardian, the temporary transfer of firearms and ammunition by an adult accompanying minors engaged in hunting or formal or informal target shooting activities shall be allowed for those purposes.



    What law did this gun dealer break?
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    are any charges being pressed against Bloomy?

    and if not, why not?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    NYC performs sting at Ariz. gun show - Boston.com


    The private investigators, wearing concealed cameras, were sold 9mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably could not pass background checks


    So either they lied on that form I linked to, or they passed the nics check. If that is your evidence, counselor, what law did whom break? FAIL.


    If the guns were not being transported back to NY, WTF was that douchebag doing in AZ trying to prove?
    Wow, can you not understand that THERE WERE NO FORMS?! Private seller = no forms. The point of the exercise was to demonstrate how a felon could take advantage of this loophole to buy a gun. Thus, the buyer implied that he could not pass a background check. While no BG check is required in a private sale, it is still illegal for a private seller to sell a gun to someone whom he reasonably believes may be a felon. Accordingly, the sellers probably violated federal law, but the buyer did not (assuming he was just lying about not being able to pass a BG check). That was the point -- not to transfer the guns to NYC.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...What law did this gun dealer break?
    did not the prospective gun-buyer inform the dealer that he could probably not pass a background check?

    the guys who bought the guns, were they Arizona residents with AZ drivers licenses?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Here is the applicable federal law:

    18 U.S.C. 922

    ...

    (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
    dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
    having reasonable cause to believe
    that such person -
    (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court
    of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one
    year;
    (2) is a fugitive from justice;
    (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
    substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
    Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
    (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been
    committed to any mental institution;
    (5) who, being an alien -
    (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
    (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
    admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
    that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
    and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
    (6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under
    dishonorable conditions;
    (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has
    renounced his citizenship;
    (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from
    harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such
    person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging
    in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in
    reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except
    that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that -
    (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received
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    (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a
    credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner
    or child; or
    (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted
    use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate
    partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause
    bodily injury; or
    (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
    domestic violence.
    Last edited by AdamT; 02-13-12 at 01:59 PM.

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