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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bloomberg commissioned the "sting" for the purposes of lobbying for gun control matters that would effect other people outside of his state. If he were a private citizen who either A) Did the work himself(as long as he isn't violating voyeur law) or B) Commissioned a legally licensed investigator in the state of AZ. then it would have been legal. Bloomberg did this as an official within the jurisdiction of NYC, thus he had no right to commission an investigation under any circumstances. If he used NYS licensed investigators they have violated the laws of AZ. and Federal laws by using a false identity. If he used AZ licensed investigators he is still in violation of jurisdiction as an official and they are in violation of federal law by using false information. No matter which way you slice it this was an illegal police action.
    Again, you can say it's illegal all night long, but AFAIK he hasn't violated ANY laws. One doesn't have to be a licensed investigator to buy a gun at a gun show.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'm agreeing with you. Bloomberg had no authority to conduct a sting in Arizona.
    I agree, too. But he wasn't conducting a sting, as a sting operation implies arrest and prosecution. Basically he was doing the same thing that an investigative journalist would do. Maybe it's a waste of NYC taxpayer money, but that's for NYC voters to decide.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, you can say it's illegal all night long, but AFAIK he hasn't violated ANY laws. One doesn't have to be a licensed investigator to buy a gun at a gun show.
    No, but they do have to be licensed to conduct any intelligence operations. As well unless they have cleared it with the ATF and local law enforcement they may not falsify information.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I agree, too. But he wasn't conducting a sting, as a sting operation implies arrest and prosecution. Basically he was doing the same thing that an investigative journalist would do. Maybe it's a waste of NYC taxpayer money, but that's for NYC voters to decide.
    Semantics aside an official is not supposed to engage in these types of activities, the fact that he is an authority in NYC means that anything he commissions iin this area is a police action.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, but they do have to be licensed to conduct any intelligence operations.
    True, if they were paid they had to be licensed. Do we know that he didn't hire in-state PIs?

    As well unless they have cleared it with the ATF and local law enforcement they may not falsify information.
    You don't have to provide any information to a private seller. That's kind of the whole point of the exercise.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Semantics aside an official is not supposed to engage in these types of activities, the fact that he is an authority in NYC means that anything he commissions iin this area is a police action.
    That's nonsense. If Bloomberg sends someone on his staff to study Chicago's sewage system, that's a police action?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And my point is that it is NOW INCORPORATED, so his argument is moot. WTF is wrong with you?
    No, actually, it wasn't. You were arguing that it was automatic; you didn't start saying "now" incorporated until it was pointed out to you.

    I guess WTF is "wrong" with me is that I recognize when someone is shifting from point to point, which is problematic for the person doing it.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, actually, it wasn't. You were arguing that it was automatic; you didn't start saying "now" incorporated until it was pointed out to you.

    I guess WTF is "wrong" with me is that I recognize when someone is shifting from point to point, which is problematic for the person doing it.
    I was talking about the current state of the law -- not the history of the 2d Amendment.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    True, if they were paid they had to be licensed. Do we know that he didn't hire in-state PIs?



    You don't have to provide any information to a private seller. That's kind of the whole point of the exercise.
    You sure don't have to provide info. however you still cannot lie during the purchase of the weapon. The PIs were falsifying not only their identities but their intent, they also committed entrapment in doing so. All of those are illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's nonsense. If Bloomberg sends someone on his staff to study Chicago's sewage system, that's a police action?
    Studying the sewer system is not doing so to prove criminal activity. Apples and oranges.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I get it perfectly, and thanks for making my point. If it's unconstitutional for the federal government to take away your 2d A. rights, then it's unconstitutional for states to do the same.

    You are confused again-one sovereign doesn't have the power to act in this area and that is not due to the second but the tenth

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