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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh, okay -- I missed which claim he was asking you to cite. However, this wasn't a police operation, so it's irrelevant.
    Yes it was. It was conducted by undercover NYPD officers and involved "evidence gathering" that is quite illegal. If they were civilians looking to make an embarrasing video depending on Arizona's privacy laws they may or may not be subject to voyeurism charges because of the covert video. They were in the public domain but that does not matter because they were acting on behalf of NYC during a police action outside of jurisdiction, they didn't even inform AZ. authorities.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes it was. It was conducted by undercover NYPD officers and involved "evidence gathering" that is quite illegal. If they were civilians looking to make an embarrasing video depending on Arizona's privacy laws they may or may not be subject to voyeurism charges because of the covert video. They were in the public domain but that does not matter because they were acting on behalf of NYC during a police action outside of jurisdiction, they didn't even inform AZ. authorities.
    According to the OP's article, the buys were done by "private investigators". This wasn't a NY police action by Bloomberg. He was gathering information in order to lobby for a change in federal gun laws that affect NYC.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    According to the OP's article, the buys were done by "private investigators". This wasn't a NY police action by Bloomberg. He was gathering information in order to lobby for a change in federal gun laws that affect NYC.
    Doesn't matter, if they weren't licensed in AZ they had no right to conduct anything. And as well Bloomberg had no right to commission action against another state. The guy is a statist scumbag and belongs in prison. From what I understand it was an NYPD action.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Doesn't matter, if they weren't licensed in AZ they had no right to conduct anything. And as well Bloomberg had no right to commission action against another state. The guy is a statist scumbag and belongs in prison. From what I understand it was an NYPD action.
    He hasn't commenced any action against another state. He has the same rights that anyone else has to do this. Would it be illegal if, for example, James O'Keefe had conducted the investigation?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He hasn't commenced any action against another state. He has the same rights that anyone else has to do this. Would it be illegal if, for example, James O'Keefe had conducted the investigation?
    Information gathering for use in criminal investigations or for lobbying is a jursidictional matter. He had no right to conduct the sting.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Information gathering for use in criminal investigations or for lobbying is a jursidictional matter. He had no right to conduct the sting.
    Informational gathering for lobbying is a jurisdictional matter? Huh?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Information gathering for use in criminal investigations or for lobbying is a jursidictional matter. He had no right to conduct the sting.
    "Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday."

    That's the original statement from the original post. If the undercover investigators were hired by NYC, then they were acting as agents for the city. NYC probably has no right to act in this manner in a jurisdiction other than their own.

    FWIW, I noticed that the sting operation in Ohio was apparently paid for by Bloomie himself. That may, or may not, make a difference.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Informational gathering for lobbying is a jurisdictional matter? Huh?
    Bloomberg commissioned the "sting" for the purposes of lobbying for gun control matters that would effect other people outside of his state. If he were a private citizen who either A) Did the work himself(as long as he isn't violating voyeur law) or B) Commissioned a legally licensed investigator in the state of AZ. then it would have been legal. Bloomberg did this as an official within the jurisdiction of NYC, thus he had no right to commission an investigation under any circumstances. If he used NYS licensed investigators they have violated the laws of AZ. and Federal laws by using a false identity. If he used AZ licensed investigators he is still in violation of jurisdiction as an official and they are in violation of federal law by using false information. No matter which way you slice it this was an illegal police action.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    "Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday."

    That's the original statement from the original post. If the undercover investigators were hired by NYC, then they were acting as agents for the city. NYC probably has no right to act in this manner in a jurisdiction other than their own.

    FWIW, I noticed that the sting operation in Ohio was apparently paid for by Bloomie himself. That may, or may not, make a difference.
    It really doesn't matter where the funding came from. Bloomberg is an official so anything of this manner he conducts he does so as an official of NYC.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It really doesn't matter where the funding came from. Bloomberg is an official so anything of this manner he conducts he does so as an official of NYC.
    I'm agreeing with you. Bloomberg had no authority to conduct a sting in Arizona.

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