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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So then, you could also agree with ID to vote laws? They are strikingly similar.

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    as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

    you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

    happy?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There's no reason to discuss the issue with you. It's always the same crap, you always lose on it, and you never stop repeating the incorrect crap. There's no reason now to take your stance seriously.
    and yet....you can't....stop....responding.

    its flattering. really it is.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Records, in possession of the government, of which individuals have purchased which guns. That's not gun registration?

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    of course it is gun registration and ATF has been slapped around when they have tried to create a registry in the past--its why the dealer only tells the BC agency if its a long gun (age 18 legal) or handgun (age 21) when the dealer calls in the check

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

    you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

    happy?
    You don't get ****. That's why we have the second amendment, our rights have been compromised enough and we have standing that you don't. Period.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    as long as the ID is free? sure why the **** not.

    you get your ID-to-vote law, and I get my gun-rights on Drivers License & digitized gun records for sales law.

    happy?

    Yep, we are going to hell anyway, might as well get something for it.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Records, in possession of the government, of which individuals have purchased which guns. That's not gun registration?

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    holy ****!!!!! is that new??
    Last edited by Thunder; 02-12-12 at 09:30 PM.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and yet....you can't....stop....responding.

    its flattering. really it is.
    You shouldn't be flattered considering you've been beaten so many times. Normally I don't read you but I'm getting sick of your wasting bandwidth with this garbage.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You shouldn't be flattered considering you've been beaten so many times. Normally I don't read you but I'm getting sick of your wasting bandwidth with this garbage.

    so stop responding to my posts. its quite easy.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    got anything but hyperbolic strawmen?
    I do not think these words mean what you think they mean:
    hyperbolic: exaggerated
    strawmen: A made-up version of an opponent's argument that can easily be defeated.

    You still have not answered my question about your "source"

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didn’t have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, I’m allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and I’ve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I don’t, before you know it, you won’t let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the ATF shouldn't have to rely upon the honesty & integrity of gun dealers, to get their wholesale/retail sales records. that's just insane.

    No, that's just an obvious aspect of the “innocent until proven guilty”*principle.

    In a broader sense, yes, government has to rely on the honesty and integrity of the governed; and if government wants to act on the assumption that an individual has not acted with honesty and integrity, then the burden of proof is on government to prove that the individual is guilty of dishonesty or lack of integrity.

    The whole of your position, as expressed in this thread, and anywhere else that you've discussed gun rights, has been based on the Thunderous idea that government has the right to assume that any individual is a criminal, up to no good, and that it is on the individual to prove his innocence before he may exercise one of his most basic Constitutional rights. This position is completely, totally, Thunderously wrong, and so is every position that you take based on it.

    “Innocent until proven guilty.”
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