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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    ...They do not have the authority to create new law.....
    sometimes its an inadvertent result of their ruling.

    if the SCOTUS rules on an issue that did not exist in 1787, its possible that this ruling may be interpreted as...and having the effect of, a new law.

    its just the way things are. sorry.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Let's see, you have about a 10:3 ratio against your position. Within that ratio everyone is telling you your arguents are full of ****.

    no, only you are telling me I am full of ****.

    but if you really think I'm full of ****, then don't respond to my ****ing posts.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what's the problem?

    folks are still somehow able to buy guns illegally.

    how are they doing this? because folks are legally buying lots of guns at the same time, and then illegally selling them on the streets of Newark. did the dealer know the buyer was gonna do this? of course not.

    also, the ATF keeps finding out that dealers are lying on their records, and not reporting gun sales, and then they go bust them. But these records come in months after the illegal activity. If the records were digital & instant, as they should be in the ****ing second decade of the damn 21st century, these things might happen quicker.

    the ATF shouldn't have to rely upon the honesty & integrity of gun dealers, to get their wholesale/retail sales records. that's just insane.
    you are speculating now. you don't understand that there is no authority for dealers to send ATF reports of who bought what.

    and you ignore the fact that if someone buys more than one handgun from the same dealer WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS the ATF IS NOTIFIED OF THAT FACT.

    I suggest that if this indeed is happening, then the ATF is not doing its job and if that is true more laws aren't going to help but it will certainly hassle dealers and owners more

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, only you are telling me I am full of ****.

    but if you really think I'm full of ****, then don't respond to my ****ing posts.

    I've just been the one telling you straight that you don't know what you're talking about. The rest have been showing you indirectly, go read back.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we'e [sic] not talking about someone accused of a crime, now are we?
    No, we're not. We're talking about people who wish only to exercise a right which the Constitution explicitly affirms, under circumstances where no evidence is at hand that they ought to be denied that right. You want them to prove that they are entitled to that right before they may exercise it. It doesn't matter how easy you make it to provide such “proof”, the principle remains the same. The burden of proof is not ever legitimately on someone who wants to exercise a right, but on someone who wishes to deny them that right. You want them to prove that they are not criminals before they may buy a gun. I say that they have no such obligation. The obligation is on someone who wants to deny them the right to buy a gun, to come forth at that time and prove that they are criminals and that legitimate cause exists to deny them that right.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are speculating now. you don't understand that there is no authority for dealers to send ATF reports of who bought what.

    and you ignore the fact that if someone buys more than one handgun from the same dealer WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS the ATF IS NOTIFIED OF THAT FACT....
    notified, by whom?

    the dealer? well, that means the ATF relies upon the honesty of the dealer. a digital record keeping system would solve that problem. such a system would not effect gun buyers one bit. if anything, it might make their transactions move faster, especially if their criminal record is on their drivers license and easily accesable with a card reader.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, we're not.....
    if you want to buy a gun in this country, you must go through a background check. that's unless you buy from a gun show or a private seller.

    this process would be made EASIER & QUICKER...if your ability to own a firearm, was registered on your drivers license.

    my solution, would make things easier & quicker for legal gun buyers.

    but some folks are acting like it would make more of a hassle. I wonder why.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I've just been the one telling you straight that you don't know what you're talking about. The rest have been showing you indirectly, go read back.
    dude, you want to talk about me being full of ****, or the issue?

    if you want to talk about me being full of ****, I suggest you ignore my God-damned posts, because its all you're talking about now.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    notified, by whom?

    the dealer? well, that means the ATF relies upon the honesty of the dealer. a digital record keeping system would solve that problem. such a system would not effect gun buyers one bit. if anything, it might make their transactions move faster, especially if their criminal record is on their drivers license and easily accesable with a card reader.
    the dealer-who is subjected to yearly announced and unannounced inspections.

    and if a dealer -during that inspection-is found to have not notified the ATF of a multiple sale he is going to be busted. and guess what-when the dealer calls in a purchase for the Instant BC, the checkers give the dealer a PROCEED and a code number. If the 4473 is missing that code or has a fraudulent one guess what-the Dealer is BUSTED. you see if I am a dealer I just cannot write on the 4473 that the purchaser passed the telephone initiated background check. I have to get a code from the BC agency which the ATF can check on.

    and your suggestion has no merit. BC won't be any faster by the dealers sending stuff they are not permitted to send to the ATF, and which the ATF has no authority to collect

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    I'm glad to hear tha purchases of more than 5 guns at one time from the same dealer, requires a notice to the ATF. This is good to hear, thank you TD.

    however, it still depends upon the honesty of gun dealers.

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