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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so criminals are going to comply with that. and the people who smuggle illegal drugs into this country along with illegal arms are going to comply
    this is about the gun dealers. and yes, they will comply with a national digital record system for all transactions, from wholesale to retail.

    they will comply or lose their license to sell guns.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You have not the education or the experience to possibly understand what I know on this subject since its something I have been involved with over 35 years including having articles published on it and having lectured at ABA accredited law schools on the topic but yes-racism and bigotry were major foundations of gun control in this country

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    1) I don't believe you;

    2) There are a lot of stupid law review articles and lecturers; and

    3) I wasn't responding to anything about racism and gun control.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what's wrong with telling people: "if you sell a gun to someone who fails a background check, your ass goes to prison for 5 years"?

    The exact same thing that is wrong with telling someone “If you choose to practice the Jewish religion, your ass goes to prison for 5 years”.

    The Constitution explicitly affirms that we have a right to keep and bear arms (which necessarily includes the right to sell and bear arms), and which prohibits government from infringing upon this right. The government has no more business interfering with this right than it has in telling us who may belong to what religion.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The exact same thing that is wrong with telling someone “If you choose to practice the Jewish religion, your ass goes to prison for 5 years”.

    The Constitution explicitly affirms that we have a right to keep and bear arms (which necessarily includes the right to sell and bear arms), and which prohibits government from infringing upon this right. The government has no more business interfering with this right than it has in telling us who may belong to what religion.
    So you would say that convicted felons have a right to bear arms that cannot be abridged, yes? Will one pro-gun person at least have the balls to admit this? I could actually respect that position for at least being internally consistent.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a matter of disagreement. The entire context of it no longer exists. Logically, that should be a problem for everyone. I merely would prefer it said what we really mean.

    What the....? Look, if you want to change a constitutionally protected right, then amend the constitution. Short of that you have Judicial activism period.

    Regulations are not going away.
    I don't think anyone is saying that, however, I do think we need to evaluate and discard those regulations that are duplicates, and, or work against our rights as defined by the Constitution.

    This has been long established. And the courts are nto setting law. They are reading the law, and telling us what it says we can and can't do.
    What? Ok, explain to me in the simplest terms what a law is then....

    You must realize by now that two people can read the same body of words and see two completely different things. That's why we need courts.
    Yes, especially when ideology is involved. I am not saying that we need to do away with courts, just that they get back to their Constitutional restrictions, and not make law. Why is that a bad thing?


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, I believe we should have the right to own firearms for personal safety.

    but I don't believe the 2nd Amendment is valid any longer, as the citizen Militia hasn't existed in almost a century.
    The Second Amendment, like every other part of the Constitution, is and will remain valid until such time as the Constitution is explicitly amended to repeal it.

    As the Constitution currently stands, every free American has the right to keep and bear arms, and Government has no legitimate authority whatsoever to interfere in any way with this right.

    The only way to change this would be by ratifying a new Amendment to supersede the Second Amendment.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you would say that convicted felons have a right to bear arms that cannot be abridged, yes? Will one pro-gun person at least have the balls to admit this? I could actually respect that position for at least being internally consistent.
    Why should convicted felons be barred from owning guns? Maybe their crime was non-violent? If it was who says they will commit a crime with a gun?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Why should convicted felons be barred from owning guns? Maybe their crime was non-violent? If it was who says they will commit a crime with a gun?
    I'm not saying they should. I'm trying to get a pro-gun person to take a position on the question one way or the other, and so far not one of them has had the cojones to state an opinion.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no one should be able to buy a gun without first making sure they have the legal right to buy a gun. its simply common sense.

    we need to find a way to ensure that everyone who buys a gun, has the legal right to do so.
    “Innocent until proven guilty.”

    The burden of proof belongs, not on someone who wishes to exercise a right, but on one who wants to deny that right.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    1) I don't believe you;

    2) There are a lot of stupid law review articles and lecturers; and

    3) I wasn't responding to anything about racism and gun control.
    of course you don't believe me. its consistent with your complete fail on this subject

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