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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I can see where you would have that opinion because in the past I probably have taken those sorts of stances, but now, I can see that both sides of the argument are committing activism when they politically rule. The bottom line is that they need to get back to the Constitution and stop with this.

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    I still disagree j. I'm glad you can at least see it. That's a step ahead of some others. But, the court, like the president and congress, will never be perfect. But it is our system. The response has to be, make a better argument.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it was a great example of right-wing judicial activism.
    This coming from a person who used examples of the commerce clause from the three worst rated SCOTUS eras of all time? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what a FAIL!
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Where was the gun you bought in Ohio manufactured? Ohio? No? How did it get to Ohio? Interstate commerce? Thought so.

    At any rate, whether you agree with it or not, commerce clause analysis is what it is. Likewise, the SC recently held that the 2d Amendment provides for a private right of ownership -- not just for the purpose of state militias. I don't particularly agree with that interpretation, but I do recognize that the Supreme Court establishes the law of the land and it's what we have to live with, unless or until they reverse themselves. Oddly enough, I don't see you complaining about THIS conservative SC decision, which overtuned more than a century of precedent. Hypocrite much?
    your statist pyschobabble is idiotic. there was no century of supreme court precedent and Miller can be read rationally as allowing us to own machine rifles. Some appellate courts used an erroneous interpretation of teh 1870s cruikshank decision which held (correctly) that the second does not CREATE a RKBA (It merely RECOGNIZES ONE) and those racist judges (gun control was enacted to keep freed blacks or "papists" disarmed) claimed that since the second did not create a RKBA none existed

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you couldn't keep and bear arms until after you joined the militia that had been mustered and appointed officers it would be pretty worthless. the idea of a militia is sort of like a volunteer fire department. can you imagine if a volunteer firefighter would have to go to the firehouse when the alarm sounded, get training in how to fight fires and issued equipment there before going to the fire?
    Right, to further the consevative irony and hypocrisy, our Founding Fathers in fact approved a MANDATE that required able-bodied men to purchase their own weapons and sundry equipment. So much for the argument that Obama was the first to do so.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your statist pyschobabble is idiotic. there was no century of supreme court precedent and Miller can be read rationally as allowing us to own machine rifles. Some appellate courts used an erroneous interpretation of teh 1870s cruikshank decision which held (correctly) that the second does not CREATE a RKBA (It merely RECOGNIZES ONE) and those racist judges (gun control was enacted to keep freed blacks or "papists" disarmed) claimed that since the second did not create a RKBA none existed
    Repeat this for j. Imade the same point earlier, and he didn't see it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, to further the consevative irony and hypocrisy, our Founding Fathers in fact approved a MANDATE that required able-bodied men to purchase their own weapons and sundry equipment. So much for the argument that Obama was the first to do so.
    I didn't realize that people were members of an insurance pool

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If we were to revisit the issue, look at intent, reassess the need for that today, I doubt the amendment would hold today. I'm not advocating getting rid of guns, but it is time to end this debate by rewriting it to say what we really do today.

    See, this is the problem, what we should be talking about if one disagrees with the amendment, is to either repeal it, or create another amendment superceeding it. Short of that it is activism from a body of unelected judges that have no business setting law.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This coming from a person who used examples of the commerce clause from the three worst rated SCOTUS eras of all time?...
    says who?

    you?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, to further the consevative irony and hypocrisy, our Founding Fathers in fact approved a MANDATE that required able-bodied men to purchase their own weapons and sundry equipment. So much for the argument that Obama was the first to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I didn't realize that people were members of an insurance pool
    gun control guys. gun control. focus now.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your statist pyschobabble is idiotic. there was no century of supreme court precedent and Miller can be read rationally as allowing us to own machine rifles. Some appellate courts used an erroneous interpretation of teh 1870s cruikshank decision which held (correctly) that the second does not CREATE a RKBA (It merely RECOGNIZES ONE) and those racist judges (gun control was enacted to keep freed blacks or "papists" disarmed) claimed that since the second did not create a RKBA none existed
    Statist psychobable? That's rather self parodying, isn't it?

    Well, it's actually not my assertion; it came from Justice John Paul Stevens.

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