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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    This is a job for the fed's. I am reasonably sure the federal law enforcement agencies have established a precedent of undercover investigations without notifying the local powers that be before.

    Bloomberg. What an idiot. This is something I would more expect from Dateline - NBC,

    But, beyond the roughshod arrogance of it all, as a fervent pro-gun rights advocate, I do agree that better care could be taken in placing guns into the hands of more responsible people. I am convinced that the market will not police itself.

    But it's a political hotbed. Politicians don't want to go there. Anything that resembles a hint of more control over firearms, regardless of how sensible it may or may not be, is met with gnashing teeth.
    Seeing how Anti-2nd amendment loons use baby steps to work towards the goal of full ban why would any person who actually supports the 2nd amendment trust any so called 'sensible' or 'reasonable' gun control laws? It seems that every anti-2nd amendment law enacted lead to stricter anti-2nd amendment law being pushed and enacted.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How would you know? It's not like there's a paper trail.

    Actually, "On the street" is accurate. From people that are Fed. Firearms Licence holders that don't have the same requirment for background checking as those with a store front. Now, I have no doubt that "Gun Shows" are a source, but certainly theft, illegal purchase, and other trafficking are far bigger sources....

    Here is a story on just that...

    Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts.

    frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

    But this still doesn't address the issue of a Mayor of one city, sending his officers, undisclosed to another jurisdiction to conduct an undercover operation.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    @James

    The ol', "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile," approach. I can dig it.

    It's a wonder that I am not able to walk down the street with an RPG. LOL!

    I kinda felt that way about the Patriot Act too. Funny thing about that, the "Don't give 'em an inch," crowd seemed to support that. I can remember it like yesterday. Posters here saying, "If you got nothing to hide you shouldn't mind having your phones tapped."

    It's a funny world, no?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how Anti-2nd amendment loons use baby steps to work towards the goal of full ban why would any person who actually supports the 2nd amendment trust any so called 'sensible' or 'reasonable' gun control laws? It seems that every anti-2nd amendment law enacted lead to stricter anti-2nd amendment law being pushed and enacted.
    This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Come to think of it, I thought Obama was gonna come and take all my guns and rape all the white women. What happened to that?

    Hell, I just applied for my CCW license. LOL!
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Most criminals buy their guns on the street, not gunshows. Your fears are greatly exaggerated.
    California gun laws prevented Pentagon gunman from buying gun | 89.3 KPCC

    California gun laws prevented Pentagon gunman from buying gun.

    ......The head of the state’s Bureau of Firearms says the fact that Bedell couldn’t buy a gun in California is proof that “our system worked.” But 19 days after he was stopped from buying a gun in California, Bedell purchased one — a 9 millimeter Ruger — at a gun show in Nevada......

    So if only a few criminals and crazies buy their guns at gun shows it must be alright then....its not as if that many people die because of the loopholes.
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    @James

    The ol', "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile," approach. I can dig it.

    It's a wonder that I am not able to walk down the street with an RPG. LOL!

    I kinda felt that way about the Patriot Act too. Funny thing about that, the "Don't give 'em an inch," crowd seemed to support that. I can remember it like yesterday. Posters here saying, "If you got nothing to hide you shouldn't mind having your phones tapped."

    It's a funny world, no?

    That's fine, and I see where you are comming from Cap, but the difference is that the whole thing of the Patriot act was a disingenuous argument. No one was ever talking about tapping every Americans phone for that valued chocolate chip cookie recipe. It was about calls comming in from overseas from known targets.

    But, we should be keeping our eye on the ball here....Bloomberg may have violated law by doing this.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?

    If it were up to libs, the answer would be 'all of em'...


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If it were up to libs, the answer would be 'all of em'...


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    So goes the claim. Still, I ask, how many actually have been? Can it be the claim is more smke than substance?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's fine, and I see where you are comming from Cap, but the difference is that the whole thing of the Patriot act was a disingenuous argument. No one was ever talking about tapping every Americans phone for that valued chocolate chip cookie recipe. It was about calls comming in from overseas from known targets.

    But, we should be keeping our eye on the ball here....Bloomberg may have violated law by doing this.


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    That really doesn't change anything. It really was givng more than an inch.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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