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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    regulated by the State, supervised by the State, trained by the State.

    the militia is long-gone...but the method of keeping it armed has stuck around.
    so you agree with me the federal government's power to regulate arms is rather specious. especially after the gun has been sold to a retail dealer by a wholesaler. I can only buy handguns from a dealer in the same state as me-why should that transaction be subject to federal regulation since the retail sale is not interstate commerce?


    I will tell you why; because the assholes who engaged in outcome based "analysis (FDR wanted to ban mobsters from having machine guns so they started with a ban and worked backwards) to regulate firearms were not intellectually honest nor interested in following the constitution

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is one of those foolish Boo self serving. Immense. Not quite as stupid as his most recent masterpiece. But right up there. The Bill of Rights was not written to enumerate government activity but to guarantee the rights of the individual's. Or are you one of those morons that actually believes they would make 9 inalienable individual rights and for some strange reason tuck a government right in the bill of Individual rights?
    From the start of the country, have you ever seen that win in the courts?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The ATF should be raiding these guns shows and busting everyone breaking the law.
    That would be time out of their border gun trafficking operations, cant have that.

    Hazl, if you dont start saying something remotely rational Im going to keep owning the crap out of you with irony regarding how terrible ATF has been in its mission under Obama.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    why was the 2nd Amendment written? to provide for the arming of the citizen-Militia, which was spelled out in Article 1 Section 8 of the USC, and further codified in the Militia Act of 1792.

    It wasn't written so folks could have guns to shoot rabbits & trees. It was to make sure the citizen militia was armed and ready to be called up by the GOVERNMENT to help put down rebellion, insurrection, etc etc.

    The Militia is no more. It no longer exists. Its role is now held by the National Guard.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why was the 2nd Amendment written? to provide for the arming of the citizen-Militia, which was spelled out in Article 1 Section 8 of the USC, and further codified in the Militia Act of 1792.

    It wasn't written so folks could have guns to shoot rabbits & trees. It was to make sure the citizen militia was armed and ready to be called up by the GOVERNMENT to help put down rebellion, insurrection, etc etc.

    The Militia is no more. It no longer exists. Its role is now held by the National Guard.

    you still have the ninth and tenth amendments to deal with even if your claim is accurate

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still have the ninth and tenth amendments to deal with even if your claim is accurate
    Considering the grammer fail of most gun grabbers to not even realize that the comma denotes two thoughts in the second amendment that is a huge "if".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you agree with me the federal government's power to regulate arms is rather specious. especially after the gun has been sold to a retail dealer by a wholesaler. I can only buy handguns from a dealer in the same state as me-why should that transaction be subject to federal regulation since the retail sale is not interstate commerce?...
    I guess one might argue that once something becomes under the jurisdiction of inter-state commerce, it stays under that jurisdiction.

    Or, one could say that once it crosses state lines, its regulated by the Feds until its sold retail. Then it goes back under the jurisdiction of the state.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um.......dumb.
    I agree, it is a dumb argument. It is not my argument, it is your argument. You are saying in your post that if congress can regulate interstate travel, particularly boat travel, which is not a right, then Congress can regulate interstate possession. Which is an inalienable right. I submit that they are two different arguments. One Constitutional, the other legislative.
    In any event, the Federal government has given up a lot of their so called power to regulate to firearms across the state lines. Each state has its own gun laws, and the federal laws are limited. It is impossible to carry a sidearm across the US without violating state and local laws, even for federally licensed concealed carriers. Shouldn't I have the right, based on my compliance with federal laws and the 2nd amendment, to carry a weapon in any state or locality?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still have the ninth and tenth amendments to deal with even if your claim is accurate
    its silly to act as if the 2nd Amendment was written within a contextual vacuum. It clearly was a follow-up to Article 1 Section 8 of the USC, and preceded the Militia Act of 1792. I believe one must read them all within the context of the whole. They all deal with the same issue, do they not? Guns, the Militia, and whatnot.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Considering the grammer fail of most gun grabbers to not even realize that the comma denotes two thoughts in the second amendment that is a huge "if".
    I think if anyone suggested that you have to be a member of a church in order to exercise your right to free speech,freedom of the press,peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances then that person would be laughed at.
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