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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Gibbons v. Ogden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In Gibbons vs,. Ogden (1823), SCOTUS found that the Constitution gave the Congress broad powers to regulate all commerce & commercial activities that took place across state lines. Even to the point of overriding state law.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if it could be used to regulate inter-state boat travel, it can also be used to regulate inter-state gun sales.

    but like you said earlier, Congress would have a tough time proving they have the right to regulate the sale of guns that are manufactured & sold in the same state.
    Which amendment gives you the inalienable right to keep and bear boats?

    Sorry, two different arguments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, within the context of a well-regulated citizen militia, which is supervised, trained, and controlled by a state authority.
    That is one of those foolish Boo self serving. Immense. Not quite as stupid as his most recent masterpiece. But right up there. The Bill of Rights was not written to enumerate government activity but to guarantee the rights of the individual's. Or are you one of those morons that actually believes they would make 9 inalienable individual rights and for some strange reason tuck a government right in the bill of Individual rights?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's only true if that is what was actually done. Realize you THINKING that's what they did is not equal to them doing it.



    And one is allowed to be regulated, as it is a tool and not people. Keep the difference in mind.



    Yep. And people are allowed to keep and bear arms. Hunter have rifles, and people have hand guns, and so on. But the law allows for regulation. I'm sorry, but that is how it is.
    There is not regulation for the right of the people to keep and bear arms in the constitution.There is however regulation on militias in the 2nd amendment.This is why the 2nd amendment doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms".
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Which amendment gives you the inalienable right to keep and bear boats?

    Sorry, two different arguments
    um.......dumb.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is one of those foolish Boo self serving. Immense. Not quite as stupid as his most recent masterpiece. But right up there. The Bill of Rights was not written to enumerate government activity but to guarantee the rights of the individual's. Or are you one of those morons that actually believes they would make 9 inalienable individual rights and for some strange reason tuck a government right in the bill of Individual rights?

    I have seen many a gun hater claim that the second amendment granted the Federal government the power to regulate militias. Seriously

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is not regulation for the right of the people to keep and bear arms in the constitution.There is however regulation on militias in the 2nd amendment.This is why the 2nd amendment doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms".
    The courts have heard this often, and not once has it ruled that we cannot regulate weapons. So, you are likely quite wrong about that. As for you militia argument, I'll try not to be too harsh, but it is one sentence. The first part of the sentence cannot be seen as spearate from the second part. The first part sets up the context for the second part. While there is disagreement on what regulate means, there is no disagreement on the context.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The courts have heard this often, and not once has it ruled that we cannot regulate weapons. So, you are likely quite wrong about that. As for you militia argument, I'll try not to be too harsh, but it is one sentence. The first part of the sentence cannot be seen as spearate from the second part. The first part sets up the context for the second part. While there is disagreement on what regulate means, there is no disagreement on the context.
    no one seriously believes that one has to be a member of a "well regulated" (ie formed militia which has appointed officers etc) to keep and bear arms

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is one of those foolish Boo self serving. Immense. Not quite as stupid as his most recent masterpiece. But right up there. The Bill of Rights was not written to enumerate government activity but to guarantee the rights of the individual's. Or are you one of those morons that actually believes they would make 9 inalienable individual rights and for some strange reason tuck a government right in the bill of Individual rights?
    The 2nd Amendment provided for The People to be able to arm themselves, as part of the citizen-militia mentioned in Article 1 Section 8 of the USC. This militia was further discussed in the Militia Act of 1792.

    However, this citizen-volunteer militia was pretty much done away with in the Militia Act of 1903.

    So, we still have the right to keep & bear arms as part of a government-regulated, citizen Militia.....but the militia hasn't existed in more 100 years.

    Someday, these two realities will be rectified.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no one seriously believes that one has to be a member of a "well regulated" (ie formed militia which has appointed officers etc) to keep and bear arms
    regulated by the State, supervised by the State, trained by the State.

    the militia is long-gone...but the method of keeping it armed has stuck around.

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