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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that was never intended nor ever interpreted to grant the power you claim it does until FDR decided he needed a way to restrict the sale of tommy guns.

    commerce among the several states means the several states-not the people acting as individuals

    FAIL
    you are contradicting your earlier statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...but once I own that gun it no longer is affecting interstate commerce if I decided to sell it to someone who also lives in ohio.
    please, explain.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I did not say they were infallible. I said this was our system. BTW, you're not infallibale. We should gets this out in the open. You really are just as likely, if not more likley, to be wrong in how you read than the courts have been, on any issue. That said, the courts are where these questions play out, are debated, the battle fought. Sometimes your belief wins, and sometimes if loses. When our side loses, it is best to not whine and pout and call the court names, but roll up your sleves and make a better argument.
    If the court blatantly ignores what the constitution says then they are wrong period.

    And you are again making a tree frog to apple comparison. Weapons are not equal to religion.
    You have a right to both.Both are rights the government has no business regulating or infringing on.

    Sorry, you misread the amendment and the law, and are having some trouble seeing what is a real comparison.
    This from the person who swears up and down that a well regulated peoples right to keep and bear arms is in the constitution.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, within the context of a well-regulated citizen militia, which is supervised, trained, and controlled by a state authority.
    A well regulated militia and the peoples right to keep and bear arms are two separate rights.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Commerce Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    a short reading about the Commerce Clause, shows that it was used to give the federal govt. power to regulate inter-state commerce & commercial activities, long before the New Deal.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you are contradicting your earlier statement:



    please, explain.
    neither affects interstate commerce as the clause was intended. the second doesn't even affect it using the specious and dishonest FDR interpretation

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A well regulated militia and the peoples right to keep and bear arms are two separate rights.
    err.....there is no "right" to form a well-regulated militia.

    FAIL.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

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    Commerce Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    a short reading about the Commerce Clause, shows that it was used to give the federal govt. power to regulate inter-state commerce & commercial activities, long before the New Deal.
    it was never used to regulate items such as fireearms

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    neither affects interstate commerce as the clause was intended. the second doesn't even affect it using the specious and dishonest FDR interpretation
    not only am I not using FDR's interpretation, I am unfamiliar with it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it was never used to regulate items such as fireearms
    if it could be used to regulate inter-state boat travel, it can also be used to regulate inter-state gun sales.

    but like you said earlier, Congress would have a tough time proving they have the right to regulate the sale of guns that are manufactured & sold in the same state.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the court blatantly ignores what the constitution says then they are wrong period.
    That's only true if that is what was actually done. Realize you THINKING that's what they did is not equal to them doing it.

    You have a right to both.Both are rights the government has no business regulating or infringing on.
    And one is allowed to be regulated, as it is a tool and not people. Keep the difference in mind.

    This from the person who swears up and down that a well regulated peoples right to keep and bear arms is in the constitution.
    Yep. And people are allowed to keep and bear arms. Hunter have rifles, and people have hand guns, and so on. But the law allows for regulation. I'm sorry, but that is how it is.

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