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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh, current CC analysis is anything but a joke. It was instrumental in overturning Jim Crow laws and has had many other salutary effects. The Founding Fathers got it mostly right, but they weren't perfect beings. Their work has been improved on over the years.

    As for the current Court, there's no question that it is the most conservative in living memory.

    thank goodness for that, if true.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    thank goodness for that, if true.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh, current CC analysis is anything but a joke. It was instrumental in overturning Jim Crow laws and has had many other salutary effects.
    Just because you like the result, it doesn't make it a correct interpretation.


    The Founding Fathers got it mostly right, but they weren't perfect beings. Their work has been improved on over the years.
    And they anticipated it would be, through amendment -- not by future courts pretending their plain words mean things they don't.


    As for the current Court, there's no question that it is the most conservative in living memory.
    Even if that were true, which it's not (why did FDR want to pack the Court, again? Thee-horse team what?) -- so what?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You are pulling figures out of your arse. As for mandatory minimum sentences, I would absolutely support them for anyone using a gun in aid of committing a felony.
    Actually Im not. Turtle cited less than a percent of the illegal guns coming from gun shows, you accepted that figure and used it back, I know for a fact that most sales at gun shows are done by dealers and require completion of the yellow federal form and a background check. So assuming your quest to 'close' some mythical loophole has any validity whatsover, we are talking considerably less than half a percent and frankly...it is beyond moronic that anyone that can see that illegal drugs and the VAST majority of illegal firearms comes from sources other than private sales at gunshows would still insist that they are actually convinced that is a solution to a problem. I showed earlier in this thread where Mayor Bloombergs biggest problem is not some random gun sales at a gunshow in Arizona but in fact from other sources in NEW YORK...the single largest provider of illegal firearms in New York City. He...like you...has a hard on over gunshows...which nets absolutely NOTHING in fighting violent crime. Now...if you believe violent criminals using the firearm in the commission of a crime should be locked away for mandatory minimum sentences...then we are onto something. But see...you cant even bring yourself to attack the criminals. You support mandatory minimums for the guys selling a firearm...but not for the criminals in the commission.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no one should be able to buy a gun without first making sure they have the legal right to buy a gun. its simply common sense.

    we need to find a way to ensure that everyone who buys a gun, has the legal right to do so.
    The Constitution pretty much states The right to firearm ownership shall not be abridged...doesnt it? Do you support investigation of everyones legal status BEFORE applying the other 9 amendments of the Bill of Rights?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, at least be honest about it...It is liberal doctrine. The SCOTUS doesn't have the authority to make law. Show me in the Constitution where they do.

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    This is what bothers me about conservatives. Anything they disagree with judicial activism, and anything they like is proper judgement. Why you can't see the problem with that is mind boggling. The SCOTUS is doing their job. When they do, it means one side will be please and the other unhappy. There is no way around that. Sorry.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You support infringements of the peoples right to keep an bear arms. So yes you are anti-2nd amendment. Trying to claim the regulated part applies to the peoples right to keep and bear arms makes you anti-2nd amendment.
    I support regulations, whihc has been part of this country since the begining. It is false to say that the right to all and any weapons anywhere is forbidden. No court has upheld that.

    So, no, I'm frankly more in keepig with the 2nd amendment and it's implimentation than you are.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    BTW Joe, you never answered my question tell me who do you know that wants to buy a tank? That is just silliness.


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    J, J , J . . . Why do you guys focus so much on the silly. Some here once told me he should be able to have a tank if he wanted one. There's a fellow three block down from me who wants a tank. He'd take a rocket launcher to if he could get one. Do you really believe there are no radicals in the world?

    But, this helps you to avoid the point doesn't? That's the only reason I can think that would explain how often you go silly.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    The ATF should be raiding these guns shows and busting everyone breaking the law.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I support regulations, whihc has been part of this country since the begining. It is false to say that the right to all and any weapons anywhere is forbidden. No court has upheld that.

    So, no, I'm frankly more in keepig with the 2nd amendment and it's implimentation than you are.

    The courts are not infallible and as long as they support infringements on the 2nd amendment then they will always be wrong regarding the 2nd amendment. As long as you support infringements on the second amendment you are not pro-2nd amendment.It amounts to saying you are for freedom of religion but think Judaism should be banned.
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