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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...no one can honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to allow congress to regulate small arms
    if that gun is manufactured in Idaho and shipped to Illinois for sale, Congress indeed has the power to regulate it.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I didn't realize that the Roosevelt administration adjudicated constitutional law questions. How interesting.
    more dishonesty. Contrarian idiocy. the FDR administration decided that the commerce clause could be used to regulate firearms in the 1934 NFA act after its own AG said an outright ban on machine guns would violate the second amendment. SO regulating machine guns was based on a tax and the commerce Clause.

    Ad I didn't say the ADMINISTRATION ADJUDICATED as you claim

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the FDR court-after the court packing scheme was suggested, ignored 100+ years of precedent and started rubber stamping that idiocy

    no one can honestly claim that the commerce clause was intended to allow congress to regulate small arms
    Ah, so it was actually the Supreme Court, and every subsequent Supreme Court, that came up with the commerce clause analysis -- NOT the Roosevelt administration! This is fascinating stuff.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I didn't say that they have the formal power to make new laws. But infact, when they strike down one law, they sometimes in effect create a new one.

    if SCOTUS strikes down a gay-marriage ban in California, they might indeed be in effect, saying that gay marriage is legal throughout the entire country.

    get it?

    Oh, I do get it....Do you get that this is judicial activism, and extra constitutional as to the courts purpose?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if that gun is manufactured in Idaho and shipped to Illinois for sale, Congress indeed has the power to regulate it.
    and that is based on what power given the congress in the constitution as intended?

    and merely moving in interstate commerce is not the same as affecting it

    but once I own that gun it no longer is affecting interstate commerce if I decided to sell it to someone who also lives in ohio. a

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I do get it....Do you get that this is judicial activism, and extra constitutional as to the courts purpose?

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    I get that you consider any decision by the Supreme Court that you do not agree with, to be "judicial activism".

    though, I bet you consider it perfectly right & proper for SCOTUS to decide that corporations are people, and have civil rights.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ah, so it was actually the Supreme Court, and every subsequent Supreme Court, that came up with the commerce clause analysis -- NOT the Roosevelt administration! This is fascinating stuff.

    Your dishonest ignorance of historical reality is pathetic. FDR threatened the USSC with packing and then that court started ignoring more than one hundred years of precedent. since you claim to have a law degree from a somewhat prestigious law school, tell me what caused the USSC to ignore the 130 years of precedent (Culminating with Schechter Poultry) and suddenly start allowing stuff that had been struck down a couple years before

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I get that you consider any decision by the Supreme Court that you do not agree with, to be "judicial activism".

    That is not what I asked. Can you answer the question?


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ...but once I own that gun it no longer is affecting interstate commerce if I decided to sell it to someone who also lives in ohio.
    hmmm....interesting point.

    unfortunately, following that logic, Congress has no right to pass laws banning racial discrimination in housing, sales, or hiring....if it takes place all in one state....as it is intra-state commerce.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    hmmm....interesting point.

    unfortunately, following that logic, Congress has no right to pass laws banning racial discrimination in housing, sales, or hiring....if it takes place all in one state....as it is intra-state commerce.
    exactly, that is a state power properly

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