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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    If guns are making their way into NYC from these gun shows then maybe the mayor is doing the right thing.
    The mayor of NYC is a piece of **** trying to crap on the 2nd amendment and is pissed because other states do not follow suite.


    In some instances the sellers are handing over guns to people who openly say they probably couldn't pass a background check which appears to be a violation of federal law.
    That doesn't mean the seller actually believes or has reason to believe the person couldn't pass a background check.A private seller has to have reason to believe someone is prohibited. I do not know about you but if I was a prohibited person I would not be stupid enough to tell a private seller that I am a prohibited person. I am pretty sure private sellers are aware of this fact and probably think the person is some anti-2nd amendment scumbag trying to play gotcha games instead of a real prohibited person. Judging by this statement this is what I suspect.

    "Buyer says "That's good about the background check because I probably couldn't pass one", seller: "I don't care...because I wouldn't pass either, bud"
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, they were not "in on it".... Here a statement from the AZ AG.




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    The fact that no such notification was made indicates this so-called sting is nothing less than a public relations stunt.


    I suspect there is less here than meets the eye. But, there is law if there isn't. I'll be interested to see where it goes.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona



    Seller: "The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"

    It becomes more obvious why some people feel the need to carry a gun, in some cases they seem to be the ones guaranteeing that there are plenty of weapons available for criminals.

    A fella that sells hundreds of guns a year is hardly a collector IMO.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Then states need stricter laws. In Illinois, the only legal way to sell a firearm is to sell it to someone with a current FOID and keep records of that gun and buyer for a minimum of ten years.
    Illinois is the most anti-2nd amendment state in the union.


    Again, states should grab onto this with both hands and change the laws. (In Illinois, as I said, whoever buys it must have a valid FOID.)
    My state actually respects the 2nd amendment.So my state will not do that anytime soon.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post


    Seller: "The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"

    It becomes more obvious why some people feel the need to carry a gun, they seem to be the ones guaranteeing there are plenty of weapons available for criminals.

    A fella that sells hundreds of guns a year is hardly a collector IMO.
    I do not know if you ever collected comics,coins or anything else but people who collect stuff tend to have huge collections.For example my mom has a huge collection of Flamingo memorabilia. Coffee cups, figurines, cups, that crappy outdoor plastic flamingos,Christmas ornaments,the two dollar flamingo coin from the Bahamas and a who bunch of other stuff.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.
    Most criminals buy their guns on the street, not gunshows. Your fears are greatly exaggerated.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Most criminals buy their guns on the street, not gunshows. Your fears are greatly exaggerated.
    How would you know? It's not like there's a paper trail.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How would you know? It's not like there's a paper trail.
    Fair point. I'm not sure were all criminals get their guns. Do we keep such stats? And how are they collected?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Completely agree.


    Then you agree that Bloomberg, the Mayor of NYC, was way out of bounds sending his police officers to AZ to do this.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    This is a job for the fed's. I am reasonably sure the federal law enforcement agencies have established a precedent of undercover investigations without notifying the local powers that be before.

    Bloomberg. What an idiot. This is something I would more expect from Dateline - NBC,

    But, beyond the roughshod arrogance of it all, as a fervent pro-gun rights advocate, I do agree that better care could be taken in placing guns into the hands of more responsible people. I am convinced that the market will not police itself.

    But it's a political hotbed. Politicians don't want to go there. Anything that resembles a hint of more control over firearms, regardless of how sensible it may or may not be, is met with gnashing teeth.

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