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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The question is simply whether individuals should be required to pass a background check before purchasing from a private seller as they are presently required to do when they purchase from a registered dealer.

    Ok, but that should be a state issue.

    My opinion is that most gun rights advocates are hypocrites and/or lack the courage of their convictions.
    Yes, yes we know you hold disdain for those that disagree with you.

    They will argue that even moderate government restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional ...
    Depends on what you think is 'moderate' or not....Your viewpoint is not the benchmark, or at least I hope not.

    BUT they claim to support the law that prohibits the sale of guns to convicted felons ...
    You seem to have totally ignored the study I gave on that exact claim of yours.

    BUT they oppose background checks that are necessary to enforce the prohibition on gun sales to felons.
    No, this is you trying to hang that yoke around their neck, in the dishonest attempt to place them in the box you have invented for them.

    And my challenge is this:
    Stop right there. Nobody cares what 'YOUR' challange is. We don't have to live up to your standards in this country, you have to meet the Constitution's standard. You have it backwards, as many liberals often do.



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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are welcome Turtle. I am glad my efforts have paid off in some real learning.

    sadly I knew the term years ago. It was something we Pro Rights coalition members applied to terms that the Anti Rights Coalition used such as "assault weapon" "saturday night special" etc

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused as usual

    supporting a law that prohibits felons from owning guns does not require we support making individuals conduct background checks mainly because the practical aspects of that are such that this requirement is worthless.
    requiring background checks for all gun-sales, would reduce the number of guns sold to criminals.

    how is that a bad thing?

    what's wrong with telling people: "if you sell a gun to someone who fails a background check, your ass goes to prison for 5 years"?

    if that was me, I'd be damned sure to do the background check on anyone looking to buy a gun from me.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused as usual

    supporting a law that prohibits felons from owning guns does not require we support making individuals conduct background checks mainly because the practical aspects of that are such that this requirement is worthless.
    The practical aspects of background checks aren't prohibitive. There are multiple approaches listed above that would be quite workale and not overly burdensome. You're just a typical pro-gun hypocrite toeing the NRA line.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    requiring background checks for all gun-sales, would reduce the number of guns sold to criminals.

    how is that a bad thing?

    what's wrong with telling people: "if you sell a gun to someone who fails a background check, your ass goes to prison for 5 years"?

    if that was me, I'd be damned sure to do the background check on anyone looking to buy a gun from me.

    1) your first claim is pure speculation.

    2) punishing people with five years in prison is idiotic given criminals are able to pass background checks at gun stores. sometimes the records are incomplete, sometimes the people doing the check miss something.

    3) if you knowingly sell a gun to someone who cannot own one you already face criminal prosecution

    4) people who are selling stolen guns to other criminals will continue to do so

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The practical aspects of background checks aren't prohibitive. There are multiple approaches listed above that would be quite workale and not overly burdensome. You're just a typical pro-gun hypocrite toeing the NRA line.
    You are a typical gun hater who has no clue about the current laws and what actually works.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    So, TD, just to be clear where you stand, would you be so kind as to answer the following survey?

    1. There should be a law against felons owning guns:

    a) NO -- everyone has a constitutional right to own firearms;
    b) YES, but it should be up to the states; or
    c) YES, and it's properly a matter a federal law.

    2. There should be a law requiring background checks of prospective gun purchasers:

    a) NO, not under any circumstances;
    b) YES, but only applied to registered dealers;
    c) YES, same as (b) but it should be up to the states.

    Thank you.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    The second and tenth amendments clearly demonstrate that the federal government has no sound or proper involvement in this issue

    and making private sellers do background checks is doomed to failure unless there is complete gun registration which of course is both unconstitutional and an impossibility to achieve

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The second and tenth amendments clearly demonstrate that the federal government has no sound or proper involvement in this issue...
    again, you assume that the well-regulated Militia was mentioned for no reason.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    again, you assume that the well-regulated Militia was mentioned for no reason.
    never said that-it has no bearing on our individual rights and more importantly, nothing in the BoR delegated power to the federal government

    off to lunch BBL

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