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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What part of “…shall not be infringed” is it that you do not understand?

    What do you think the word “infringed” means as it is used in the Second Amendment?
    What part of constitutional law don't you understand? Apparently most of it. The Supreme Court has repeatedly, and consistently held that even fundamental rights can be constrained if there is an important government interest, the law is narrowly tailored, etc.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is no gun show loophole. years ago no one had to do background checks. that law was changed to make licensed dealers since they receive guns in interstate commerce. try again
    Of course there is a gun show loophole. Drop the stupid semantic games.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What part of constitutional law don't you understand? Apparently most of it. The Supreme Court has repeatedly, and consistently held that even fundamental rights can be constrained if there is an important government interest, the law is narrowly tailored, etc.
    yet no one has come close to proving the gun laws you want meet that test.

    try again
    and you have until tomorrow

    the narrowly tailored bit is going to be tough as well

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course there is a gun show loophole. Drop the stupid semantic games.
    stop your lying-what law is different for gun shows compared to any other transaction or location?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yet no one has come close to proving the gun laws you want meet that test.

    try again
    and you have until tomorrow

    the narrowly tailored bit is going to be tough as well
    Well, given that it hasn't been tried, I will concede that it hasn't been proven. But IMO it would be a no brainer. Laws prohibiting felons from purchasing guns have been upheld. BG checks make it more difficult for felons to obtain guns. The gun show loophole is a huge gap in the BG check program. There is no other way to close the gap in the program. By providing wider access to the BG check system, the process would not be overly burdensome. Ergo....

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The sad thing is that New York City is so predominantly populated by Thunderously-stupid people that Bloomberg's corrupt antics will probably help get him reelected.
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    how pathetic & sad.
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    oh, if I was a terrorist, I would totally come to the USA.

    here in the USA, a wanna-be terrorist can buy all the ****ing guns and ammo he wants. hell, he can even get his hands on a fully-automatic rifle if he makes nice with his local Sheriff.

    just respond to some gun-sale ad in a paper in the Southwest, and go to the guy's house and buy whatever gun you like. no background check required or done.

    then, walk down to the nearest Mall, and massacre the shoppers.

    the USA surely is heaven-on-Earth, for terrorists.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, given that it hasn't been tried, I will concede that it hasn't been proven. But IMO it would be a no brainer. Laws prohibiting felons from purchasing guns have been upheld. BG checks make it more difficult for felons to obtain guns. The gun show loophole is a huge gap in the BG check program. There is no other way to close the gap in the program. By providing wider access to the BG check system, the process would not be overly burdensome. Ergo....
    what is the gun show loophole? there is no law that is different at a gun show than at any other place

    you are not being honest or you are extremely ignorant of the laws

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    A Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that only 0.8% of prison inmates reported acquiring firearms used in their crimes "At a gun show," with repeat offenders less likely than first-time offenders to report acquiring firearms from a retail source, gun show or flea market. This 2001 study examined data from a 1997 Department of Justice survey of more than 18,000 federal and state prison inmates in 1,409 State prisons and 127 Federal prisons.[20][21] The remaining 99.2% of inmates reported obtaining firearms from other sources, including "From a friend/family member" (36.8%), "Off the street/from a drug dealer" (20.9%), "From a fence/black market source" (9.6%), "From a pawnshop," "From a flea market," "From the victim," or "In a burglary." 9% of inmates replied "Don't Know/Other" to the question of where they acquired a firearm and 4.4% refused to answer.[21]

    Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So, if I have this correct, Adam, and others are in here arguing that this so called 'loophole', which BTW, is not even nationwide, nearly half the states have restricting law on the books concerning shows, or private sales, but that they want a law on the Federal level restricting sales by private individuals. However, their problem that they can't get around here is that pesky Constitution, and their never ending seeming ignorance of who holds, or derives power as the framers set up our system of government.

    Which is why earlier I made the statement of how communities could govern these matters for themselves, and those that don't agree to give up their constitutional rights to the overlord of liberal/progressive government can move. But see, this is part of the incrementalism that I spoke of also. The ultimate goal of any progressive, is to drain the rights of an individual as we believe them to be granted, of divine providence, and shift that to rights granted by man, and or government.

    Now, when that happens, what man giveth, man taketh away.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What part of “…shall not be infringed” is it that you do not understand?

    What do you think the word “infringed” means as it is used in the Second Amendment?
    what part of "well-regulated militia", don't YOU understand?

    if a well-regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state, then I guess we are not a free state as we haven't had a government regulated citizen militia in more than a century.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is the gun show loophole? there is no law that is different at a gun show than at any other place

    you are not being honest or you are extremely ignorant of the laws
    As you know perfectly well, the gun show loophole is the popular name given to the loophole in the BG check law that allows non-"dealers" to sell guns without background checks. How does feigning ignorance advance your argument?

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