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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

    When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

    I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    You can obtain firearms without a background check?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    You can obtain firearms without a background check?
    Private sales.
    There is nothing inherently wrong with it.

    Regular firearm dealers are required to conduct a background check, even if it is at a gun show.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, it would appear that he's reaching; but the ones to call it on him all reside in his home state. I hate gun shows. I think they should be outlawed. So given that, go Bloomberg.
    Why should they be outlawed?
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

    When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

    I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

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    Private sellers are under no obligation to do back ground checks. Bloomberg has no business ****ting on the 2nd amendment nor does he have any business trying to **** on the 2nd amendment in other states. If someone really is a criminal they are not going to announce they couldn't pass a back ground check and the seller most likely thought the person was either kidding or some scumbag working for a anti-2nd amendment scumbag.A private seller has to have reason to believe that the person wanting a firearm is a felon or some other prohibited person in order to deny selling that person a firearm. A prohibited person would not be stupid enough to tell someone they are prohibited,the only people who do that are anti-2nd amendment scum trying to play gotcha games.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States
    however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-07-12 at 05:28 PM.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why should they be outlawed?
    Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    You can obtain firearms without a background check?
    Federal law does not require private sellers to perform back ground checks. Gun shows have private sellers selling firearms,which is why they do not have to perform a back ground check.This is no different than buying a gun from a relative or some random stranger.

    Here is some info according to this anti-2nd amendment site.
    http://www.closetheloophole.org/loophole
    Responsibilities of Private Sellers: People who say they are hobbyists or collectors and claim to make only occasional sales can sell firearms without a license. Unlike licensed sellers, federal law does not require these private sellers to conduct background checks on buyers or retain sales records.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.

    Isn't that up to the state that holds, or allows the gun show?


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    If guns are making their way into NYC from these gun shows then maybe the mayor is doing the right thing.

    In some instances the sellers are handing over guns to people who openly say they probably couldn't pass a background check which appears to be a violation of federal law.


    Buyer says "That's good about the background check because I probably couldn't pass one", seller: "I don't care...because I wouldn't pass either, bud"

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    [QUOTE=jamesrage;1060181501]Federal law does not require private sellers to perform back ground checks. Gun shows have private sellers selling firearms,which is why they do not have to perform a back ground check.This is no different than buying a gun from a relative or some random stranger.[QUOTE]

    Then states need stricter laws. In Illinois, the only legal way to sell a firearm is to sell it to someone with a current FOID and keep records of that gun and buyer for a minimum of ten years.

    Responsibilities of Private Sellers: People who say they are hobbyists or collectors and claim to make only occasional sales can sell firearms without a license. Unlike licensed sellers, federal law does not require these private sellers to conduct background checks on buyers or retain sales records.
    Again, states should grab onto this with both hands and change the laws. (In Illinois, as I said, whoever buys it must have a valid FOID.)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't that up to the state that holds, or allows the gun show?

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    Completely agree.
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