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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

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    J said it was about jurisdiction. And he is who I was speaking to. Anything else?

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    I guess policing his own city is not high on Mr. Bloomberg's list of priorities.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    No idea what was going through Bloomber's head, but the gun show loophole is idiotic and should be closed. Everyone knows that it is abused on a daily basis by individuals who can't pass a background check, and by sellers who damned well are dealers in all but name who cater to the criminal element.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No idea what was going through Bloomber's head, but the gun show loophole is idiotic and should be closed. Everyone knows that it is abused on a daily basis by individuals who can't pass a background check, and by sellers who damned well are dealers in all but name who cater to the criminal element.
    Sorry but there is no such thing as the "gun show loophole."
    All firearm dealers are required to process all individuals through the background check process.
    Unless they have a concealed carry permit.

    The dealer in the video, was committing multiple felonies.
    Enforce those laws, instead.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No idea what was going through Bloomber's head, but the gun show loophole is idiotic and should be closed. Everyone knows that it is abused on a daily basis by individuals who can't pass a background check, and by sellers who damned well are dealers in all but name who cater to the criminal element.
    sadly you again are wrong. very few weapons used in crimes were obtained at gun shows and the rules at a gun show are no different than anywhere else in a given state

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but there is no such thing as the "gun show loophole."
    All firearm dealers are required to process all individuals through the background check process.
    Unless they have a concealed carry permit.

    The dealer in the video, was committing multiple felonies.
    Enforce those laws, instead.
    Yes, I know what the law says. Unfortunately it's rather vague on what constitutes a "dealer". In fact, there are individuals who are not registered as dealers but who are in fact dealers in all but name, and they travel around the country selling guns to convicted felons. It's hard to understand how you could support this loophole ... unless you don't think there should be a prohibition on selling guns to felons.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly you again are wrong. very few weapons used in crimes were obtained at gun shows and the rules at a gun show are no different than anywhere else in a given state
    Regrettably, and as usual, you know not of what you speak.

    In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I know what the law says. Unfortunately it's rather vague on what constitutes a "dealer". In fact, there are individuals who are not registered as dealers but who are in fact dealers in all but name, and they travel around the country selling guns to convicted felons. It's hard to understand how you could support this loophole ... unless you don't think there should be a prohibition on selling guns to felons.
    duh its already a federal felony to sell a gun to someone you know is a prohibited person.

    and its not a loophole.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    duh its already a federal felony to sell a gun to someone you know is a prohibited person.

    and its not a loophole.
    Hmm, I thought you said you were a lawyer. It's a little easier to enforce a background check than it is to prove a state of mind.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Regrettably, and as usual, you know not of what you speak.
    actually you are full of it. the ATF terms are loaded and do not prove what you claim

    for example the ATF under OBAMA tried to convince congress that the mexican cartels were getting most of their guns from the USA when they claimed that MOST OF THE GUNS TRACED BY THE ATF came from america. well duh, because guns made in other countries cannot be traced by the ATF

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/fuo.txt

    urce of gun 1997 1991
    Total 100.0% 100.0%
    Purchased from -- 13.9 20.8
    Retail store 8.3 14.7
    Pawnshop 3.8 4.2
    Flea market 1.0 1.3
    Gun show 0.7 0.6
    Friends or family 39.6 33.8
    Street/illegal source 39.2 40.8

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