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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    rev, that's only part of what I stated. Argument have to read in their entirity to be understood. When you slectively pick part of it, ignoring the context and the rest of it, it is you who are trying to obscure the argument. I'm sorry, but that is the way it is. I know people disagree concerning the words well regulated. But the point is, it doesn't matter, as the fact is they are regulated and the courts have upheld them being so. Now, you can continue to obfuscate, your word, or you can address the point. I've been around you long enough to have a fair idea what your choice will be, but the point is still that they are regulated, even if the interpretation of the words well regulated is wrong.





    you call that a concession? You tried to sell "well regulated" as basis for legal regulation of arms, the only thing you demonstrated was your collosal ignorance. You were wrong, get over it.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    If guns are making their way into NYC from these gun shows then maybe the mayor is doing the right thing.

    In some instances the sellers are handing over guns to people who openly say they probably couldn't pass a background check which appears to be a violation of federal law.


    Buyer says "That's good about the background check because I probably couldn't pass one", seller: "I don't care...because I wouldn't pass either, bud"

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    Why pick on Arizona? Guns are making there way into New York from a lot of states.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is not what I'm trying to say. I merely want accpetance of the premise that regulation is allowed.
    Why do you want the army or national guard to be regulated ????

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is it a jusrisdiction thing for you, or that it involves guns? Just curious.
    Learn to read. But we know what it is to you; it's about guns, and not jurisdiction.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is both. Listen Joe, there are reasons that police as a professional courtesy inform other jurisdictions when they are present. Let me ask you, Do you think it is perfectly appropiate for another state's police to enter into say your state un announced to conduct a sting?

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    Too bad the Arizona State Police didn't throw these clowns in the slammer.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Why pick on Arizona? Guns are making there way into New York from a lot of states.
    Arizona has had some media attention lately. Lawsuit against government over fast and Furious, tough anti-illegal immigration laws,some sicko shooting up some people,government must conduct business in English only law and a ban on racist history classes that foster resentment towards other races of people and country.
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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Learn to read. But we know what it is to you; it's about guns, and not jurisdiction.
    J said it was about jurisdiction. And he is who I was speaking to. Anything else?


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you call that a concession? You tried to sell "well regulated" as basis for legal regulation of arms, the only thing you demonstrated was your collosal ignorance. You were wrong, get over it.
    No, you tried to misdirect, obfuscate. You do that so you don't have to address the point. I understand.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you tried to misdirect, obfuscate. You do that so you don't have to address the point. I understand.



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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The line in my mind is where ever the citizens of the particular communities want for, and this is important, THEIR OWN communities. For instance, if NYC, or Chicago want's to ban the ownership of guns within their cities, then they may have a problem with federal suits, but they can try and do so. What they can NOT be allowed to do, is go into other cities, and communities and try and tell them what to do regarding their own laws, and practices.
    As noted, I agree on the jurisdiction point.

    What guns are acceptable to you for me to own? And why should that be up to you?
    You did read what I wrote, didn't you. The line you posted this under is: I don't care to ban all guns.

    However, if you ask, to open up another discussion, we can as a people decide that there are regulations and restrictions. I have no personal care on what they are. However, sawed off shot guns have been on the list in the past, and so have automatic weapons. I won't lose sleep over either. And I don't mind not seeing tanks, rocket launchers or nukes at my neighbors house eoither.


    Oh, I don't think it is silly, or dishonest. See, we know that agendas that are rarely accepted well by the populace when imposed in large sweeping chunks, incrementalism has been the practice to slowly chip away at original intent for 100 years plus.
    Really? Be more specific. What don't you have today that you did have?


    I see what you are saying, but there is very little trust left now to believe that the intent is what the outcome in the future would show.
    This would make sense if there was any substance behind it. You see too many of us are so fixed on our SIDE, our TEAM, that we do little but demonize and hype things beyond where they really are. That's one reason why I have ridden you on your reading material. Like so many today, on all sides, there is a tendency to us and them instead of seeking to actually address real issues. Taking our guns overall is not a real issue.

    Yes, yes it does, and I think you have the context wrong here. The first part seperated by a comma, does indeed talk of a standing army, however after that it talks of every citizen of this country individually. And as long as 'We the People' retain the right to determine, and overthrow an tyrannical government if, and when they get too far out of control, then the amendment MUST be read as such. Otherwise, you stray from the right to gun ownership, to exactly what is feared.
    Two things, the reason for it not being infringed is set up by the standing army part. That is the context. Peoplemay have thought that it would allow them to overthrow, but that was not why the amendment was included.

    Second, you can't be armed well enough today to actually overthrow anyone. We could become as miserable as iraq, I suppose, but we could not defeat our army. So, that argument wouldn't hold up well today.

    Really?, I want to see the politican that runs a campaign on the "own a tank, or surface to air missle" platform....heh, heh...

    But, see, this is where I think in this creeping incrementalism thing, that we have strayed. Show me in Article 3 where the court is to "interpret" the Constitution?

    Also, please document any "extreme radical" in this country that has been caught with a tank, or SAM, I would think that would be news. So, the "silliness" stems on both sides eh?


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    The Consititution is a legal document. As such, disputes in what is says goes to court, and often leads us the the third branch, the SCOTUS.

    And don't over read what I wrote. I am not claiming there are extreme radicals, though there may be, but only one would want those things.

    That said, a rocket launcher isn't that far removed from wanting an automatic weapon. Most of us don't want one, but some do. And it is more than like some wouldlike to have a rocket launcer. I bet if we worked hard, we could find someone who wanted a tank. And would you really argue there are no radical groups that wouldn't want a nuke?

    My point is, the miltary has these things, and if we use the context of the standing army too literally, whihc no one has, then we would eb saying people could have these things. I don't think you would support that.

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