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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Actually it does matter.A well regulated militia is a well regulated militia. the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a totally separate right. So it is blatantly dishonest to say the first words in the 2nd amendment is "a well regulated" as though it applied to the peoples right to keep and bear arms.
    It would not be in the amendment if it had not meaning (I do think it is poorly worded). Now, it is true people disagree on the meaning. I accept that. But the fact remains, they are regulated, and the courts have upheld the idea of regulating.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Oh I'm sorry I wasn't looking for one. Why are you so butt hurt that hillbillies and gang members got busted selling guns to people they shouldn't have at gun shows?
    I take it that you DID then find it and realize how stupid your position is so you simply retreated. Probably the smartest thing you have ever done.

    And if you saw that first post you would see very clearly where 1-I stated i have no problem with busting people selling guns illegally and 2-Bloomberg admitted...they did nothing wrong or illegal. Bottom line...maybe Mikey ought to worry about his own kid ****ting in his backyard swimming pool before he worries about someone pissing in a river two counties away.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    If the guns are comming from somewhere else you are suggesting they don't have a right much less a duty to establish where they are comming from? That makes no sense.
    Aw Bull ****! You don't establish anything by going out like you have authority anywhere in the nation. This is what cooperation is all about...If Bloomberg has reason to believe that guns from Arizona are being used in NYC to commit crimes, then he needs to bring in AZ, and Federal authorities on the issue. NOT conduct a dishonest smear campaign on another state because he doesn't like their laws.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw Bull ****! You don't establish anything by going out like you have authority anywhere in the nation. This is what cooperation is all about...If Bloomberg has reason to believe that guns from Arizona are being used in NYC to commit crimes, then he needs to bring in AZ, and Federal authorities on the issue. NOT conduct a dishonest smear campaign on another state because he doesn't like their laws.


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    I don't disagree that he was out of his jurisdiction, but I also believe there is a legal process to deal with this. if AZ really didn't approve of this, I suspect it will come back on Bloomburg, or it was only show with nothing really happening.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It would not be in the amendment if it had not meaning (I do think it is poorly worded). Now, it is true people disagree on the meaning. I accept that. But the fact remains, they are regulated, and the courts have upheld the idea of regulating.

    I don't think there is anyone including responsible firearms owners including myself that would say that regulation on guns is all together a bad thing as a blanket statement like you are trying to portray here Joe. But, there is such a thing as 'over regulation' to the point of infringement also. So let's take a look at the actual sentence in question shall we? And remember punctuation matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by the US Constitution
    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Second Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute
    If you will notice the comma's in this sentence, notating a break in the thought for a purpose.

    First part: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" Meaning that the founders saw the need for an actual standing army, regulated, and uniform as being necessary to remaining free.

    Second part: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" Denoting also that the people had the right to own, and on occasion as needed bear their own firearms.

    Lastly: "shall not be infringed."

    Notice the wording here, it isn't vague at all. Shall not is pretty clear. So while I can agree that some regulation of gun ownership is absolutely necessary in today's society, such as in the case of felon's, registration, and so forth. I do not get your particular misunderstanding of such a clear, and easy amendment of our constitution.

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The amendment starts out with the words well regulated, and the courts have repeatedly ruled regulating is allowed, so you may not be as knowledgable as you think you are. And you notice the courts have not struck down the alrge majority of regulations law makers have put in place.
    More idiocy in that claim the ability to regulate that dishonest or cowardly judges discuss comes from the COMMERCE CLAUSE

    try again your analysis is without any credibility

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Oh so my right to own Ryder truck filled with c4 shouldn't be infringed?
    that is not an "Arm" within the meaning of the second amendment. Try again

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have them don't you? Just saying . . . .
    Duh I live in a state that isn't as infected by liberal idiocy as Kalifornia is

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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't disagree that he was out of his jurisdiction, but I also believe there is a legal process to deal with this. if AZ really didn't approve of this, I suspect it will come back on Bloomburg, or it was only show with nothing really happening.

    It was absolutely a stunt by Bloomberg, and a dishonest one to boot. And I can't speak for the AZ AG, or Gov. but if I were them, I'd file suit against the city of NY, and Bloomberg for what ever they can throw at them, and cost them a bundle, then I would call Dumb ass Bloomberg, and tell him if he EVER tries to pull this again, and they are caught, that his henchmen will be arrested on the spot and charged to the fullest extent of the law.


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    Re: NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Why is New York wrong? Guns purchased in States with lax laws end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them in NY and are used in crimes against NY citizens. Seems rational to try and put a stop to it.

    MOre silliness. its already illegal to do all of that

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